4 Years For Murder.....

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-35917537
When are we going to start punishing these lowlives?

[ToraToraTora]

tell you what jim, i'm immune to lefty propaganda but I wish you'd put 10% of the effort you have above into, just for a minute, trying to comprehend what happened and, just for a minute, acknowledging that an armed savage murdered a school child and got away with it. He'll be 22 when he gets out, his victim and family have a life sentence. Are you so cold to be able to ignore all that just to have a go at me? I will never understand the brutality of the left.

[jno]

"Got away with it"? I will ever understand the deliberate misinformation peddled by the right...

[ummmm]

Are you drunk or just trolling again?

[ummmm]

This was the question...//When are we going to start punishing these lowlives?//

[jim360]

These days you seem to be immune to any kind of discussion with people holding a differing opinion whatsoever. It makes it very difficult to even want to hold such a discussion with you on anything these days.

In point of fact, by the way, you had a go at me first. Not directly, for sure, but since it's obvious that you see me as a "lefty", what else should I make of the line "What a nasty lot you lefties are", or "Standard...criminal loving lefty"? At best they are misunderstandings of what "lefties" believe in. At worst, they are products of the same coldness you accuse me of.

The problem is that what you're asking me to say and do achieves nothing other than convincing you that I'm as angry about it as you are, or at least as you want me to be. What's the point? The victim is dead already, nothing I say will change the outcome, and there's nothing I can myself do to change or lengthen his punishment. I don't see it as my job to do that anyway. I know that you take a dim view of the justice system, but in the end it is their job to consider the evidence and pass sentence based on that evidence and on the law. I would rather leave it up to those people to dispense justice, as opposed to the justice arising from the anger of the public. My first post, I'm sure, doesn't really reflect your views (although I wouldn't be surprised if some didn't take that position at least half-seriously on occasion), but the point is that I can be as angry as I like, plot as harsh a punishment as I like, and it won't mean a thing in the real world.

I am not angry, anyway. I am saddened. At least on an individual level, cases like this happen far too often for it to be healthy to get angry about them all the time. And anyway, who are you angrier at? The killer, or me for being apparently cold about it? It's not actually all that easy to tell.

Also, I don't really believe he's "got away with it" anyway. It's possible, after all, that there is some truth in the 'significant regret' claim -- we should hope so, anyway, for his sake and ours.

(On a separate note, I'm slightly surprised to see my first post in this thread still up.)

[Peter Pedant]

// I will never understand the brutality of the left.//

I will never understand 3T
and I think this thread shows why ....

[Mamyalynne]

The reason this thread has not run the way you wish it to is because every single time someone pointed out what the law was and how the sentencing and release works you simply deemed it wrong. That is your viewpoint of course, but he was charged and sentenced in accordance with the law and yes very many of us disagree with that daily.

I condemn this lad for what he did , I have no way of knowing how his mind worked - I read that as far as nine years earlier there was at least one incident with him , was that a one off or a pre cursor of what was to come?

It would take someone qualified to know that.

There is no doubt that there is no sentence that could possibly appease for the taking of young Bailey's life - a true tragedy for everyone.

[Togo]

The boy who was 'murdered' has his name and image all over the front pages tomorrow, as does his heartbroken family. The shiteawk who did the vile thing, after taking a knuckleduster and knife to school, is afforded privacy and protection. Including the family who shaped him. No such luxury and support for the dead boys relatives, liable to be hounded. Bleeding Hearts Rule OK? Only if it isn't yours!

[ummmm]

People in the area will know who him and his family are. Do we really need to know?

[Mamyalynne]

So you'd rather like the locals to go round and , do what??

[Togo]

//People in the area will know who him and his family are. Do we really need to know? //
Of course not....... but then again do we need to know who the victim was? The answer must be yes to both. Or we are allowed to know nothing.

[jim360]

There was a similar case in Leeds two years ago, where a 15-year-old stabbed a teacher to death, and then the child's name was initially withheld for legal reasons too -- until the Judge lifted the ban. So it's up to the judge. The difference between the two cases appears to be firstly that in the Leeds case the boy was found guilty of murder, rather than culpable homicide; and secondly that the motives in the two cases were different. At Leeds, it was premeditated and the judge apparently hoped that naming the murderer would serve as a deterrent; here, I thought the point of the case was that, while the killer did carry a knife with him at the time, he wasn't necessarily intending on using it, at least not specifically on the victim.

[ummmm]

The victims family are not at risk of revenge attacks.

[Mamyalynne]

Ah , I misunderstood you. You'd prefer murder victims to be anonymous - apologies.


On the subject of privacy for Bailey's family, I hope that their friends stay close and do all they can to comfort them and the media leave them alone.

[Togo]

//The victims family are not at risk of revenge attacks.//

Ohh that's a relief. Copycat nutters need not apply then? Get a head on.

[ToraToraTora]

so the same thing happened jim but that time it was murder. I see.

[THECORBYLOON]

As the folk on the jury heard and seen ALL the evidence presented (unlike you) do you not think they were in a better position than you to decide it was culpable homicide rather than murder?

[ToraToraTora]

he took a knife to school and plunged it into the heart of another pupil. Premeditated murder. How can it possibly be anything else?

[THECORBYLOON]

That is why they had fifteen folk on a jury to consider all the evidence presented and not left it to those in the general public who have only that which the media choose to report.

[ToraToraTora]

15 instead of the usual 12, they were indeed thorough!