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I wager that most are thinking exactly what Kate Hopkins has dared to say, but have been frightened in case they are accused of siding with a 'paedophile' or showing no sympathy for a 'child's' suffering etc etc.
Please don't turn this thread into a anti-Kate Hopkins or even anti-AOG, just comment on the case itself.
Yes we all know that he committed a UK criminal act, but is the media blowing this case out of all proportion?
I wager that most are thinking exactly what Kate Hopkins has dared to say, but have been frightened in case they are accused of siding with a 'paedophile' or showing no sympathy for a 'child's' suffering etc etc.
Please don't turn this thread into a anti-Kate Hopkins or even anti-AOG, just comment on the case itself.
Yes we all know that he committed a UK criminal act, but is the media blowing this case out of all proportion?
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divebuddy - You only have to read the reports of the Social Media out-pourings....naming her, shaming her, bigging up the poor misled ickle lamb called Johnson....sympathising with the man unable to prevent himself being entrapped by her vampish-womanly ways.....
She *is* a victim and has been established as such by due judicial process and Johnson *is* an abuser.
She *is* a victim and has been established as such by due judicial process and Johnson *is* an abuser.
I continue to be flabbergasted at the amount of effort that is being put into defending this creature by default - by attacking his victim.
It says much for the posters involved that they are unwilling to accept that adult responsibility was abandoned by a man well old enough to know better, and wheedle around looking for ever more reasons to blame his victim who was not old enough.
Thank heavens none of these people are within a country mile of the judicial process, or they would all be down the pub commiserating with Johnson for his hard luck!
It says much for the posters involved that they are unwilling to accept that adult responsibility was abandoned by a man well old enough to know better, and wheedle around looking for ever more reasons to blame his victim who was not old enough.
Thank heavens none of these people are within a country mile of the judicial process, or they would all be down the pub commiserating with Johnson for his hard luck!
True story -we have a neighbours daughter - even when aged 13 she acted and dressed as if she were 21 -her parents actively encouraged this buying her expensive designer clothes and makeup. We ( building firm) did a contract up at their house - summer time and she flirted constantly with the guys showing quite a lot of what she got -it was not until I took a couple of the guys to a side and told them she was 13 did they reel in shock -they were the good guys - if they had taken the flirting any further they would have been jailed and the girl classed as an innocent child victim. Sometimes people, even young people, have to take responsibility for their actions and 15 years old is in my opinion an age when they should know right from wrong.
Jack - you and I have cross-posted, but I fear we are fighting a lost cause here - and that is precisely why these incidents continue to happen.
They happen because as long as strangers from a distance are willing to shrug their shoulders and tell themselves that she got what she was after, and he was damned unfortunate to get caught.
That thinking prevents society from moving to a position where children are protected, and adults are taught to behave properly.
They happen because as long as strangers from a distance are willing to shrug their shoulders and tell themselves that she got what she was after, and he was damned unfortunate to get caught.
That thinking prevents society from moving to a position where children are protected, and adults are taught to behave properly.
The child (as legally that is what she was) was under the age of consent - AJ broke the law by having any sexual activity with her end off. He knew her age - it does not matter if she danced around naked in front of him - he was the adult.
As for taking to one side and giving her a jolly good telling off I would suspect that is one way to have a daughter never ever come to you should she need your help in the future!
As for taking to one side and giving her a jolly good telling off I would suspect that is one way to have a daughter never ever come to you should she need your help in the future!
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Retrochic - // ... and 15 years old is in my opinion an age when they should know right from wrong. //
Absolutely but ...
A fifteen year old girl will know that stealing is wrong, that's a black and white issue, no exceptions.
But that same fifteen year old girl is enduring (and that is the word!) puberty, with a mass of contradictory feelings, and influences, and nothing is as it seems. Add to that her hormones, and the desire to be 'grown up' - strictly on her terms of course because teenagers are unable to view the world with the objectivity and maturity of an adult, and you have a person who is vulnerable, but doesn't really understand what that means.
That is why we, as adults, guide them when we can, and rely on other adults to treat them properly when we can't.
It's just about a little bit more care and consideration, and a little bit less lust, ego and stupidity.
Absolutely but ...
A fifteen year old girl will know that stealing is wrong, that's a black and white issue, no exceptions.
But that same fifteen year old girl is enduring (and that is the word!) puberty, with a mass of contradictory feelings, and influences, and nothing is as it seems. Add to that her hormones, and the desire to be 'grown up' - strictly on her terms of course because teenagers are unable to view the world with the objectivity and maturity of an adult, and you have a person who is vulnerable, but doesn't really understand what that means.
That is why we, as adults, guide them when we can, and rely on other adults to treat them properly when we can't.
It's just about a little bit more care and consideration, and a little bit less lust, ego and stupidity.
divebuddy - //I've even seen some make ludicrous claims that Johnson's behaviour is all the more odious because he was "in a position of trust". Making such a claim is very clear evidence that some people simply don't know what they are talking about and just make up stuff to shore up their ridiculous arguments. //
I've said it before, and I will say it again - when an adult is in a position to defend and look after a child, he or she is in a position of trust - it's a default position that goes with being an adult.
I've said it before, and I will say it again - when an adult is in a position to defend and look after a child, he or she is in a position of trust - it's a default position that goes with being an adult.
Well said Islay!
This girl has found herself in a situation that has quickly got completely beyond her control, and she probably thinks she is far more responsible than she actually is in this dreadful scenario.
What she really doesn't need is supposedly mature adults who wouldn't know her if they fell over her telling her she is a cheap tart and has helped to ruin a wonderful footballer.
This girl has found herself in a situation that has quickly got completely beyond her control, and she probably thinks she is far more responsible than she actually is in this dreadful scenario.
What she really doesn't need is supposedly mature adults who wouldn't know her if they fell over her telling her she is a cheap tart and has helped to ruin a wonderful footballer.
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divebuddy - //Andy. Why don't you look up what "position of trust" actually means in a legal sense. It does have a specific meaning and it is simply nonsense (when you are talking about a court case) for you to produce some sort of homespun Patience Strong all purpose advice version for a perfect world. //
Your point does not gainsay my point in the slightest.
When my daughters' friends practiced their (considerable!) flirting skills with me as teenagers, it was always my responsibility to be an adult, to act like one and think like one.
It goes with shaving and losing my hair - and despite what other posters on here seem determined to peddle as a contrary view, it is incredibly easy!
Just think about being a decent human being, and everything else falls into place.
I am not trying to be superior here - it's simply about acting your age - this girl did, Johnson did not.
Your point does not gainsay my point in the slightest.
When my daughters' friends practiced their (considerable!) flirting skills with me as teenagers, it was always my responsibility to be an adult, to act like one and think like one.
It goes with shaving and losing my hair - and despite what other posters on here seem determined to peddle as a contrary view, it is incredibly easy!
Just think about being a decent human being, and everything else falls into place.
I am not trying to be superior here - it's simply about acting your age - this girl did, Johnson did not.
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