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[bazwillrun]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/01/peter-sutcliffe-yorkshire-ripper-no-longer-mentally-ill-say-psychiatrists

them 30 odd years to suss him out...pretty good going...

[andy-hughes]

ummm - //I don't understand why people dismiss insanity pleas. This isn't case of a gang murder, a drug deal gone wrong, a jealous lover. It's a man who killed 13 people....that's insane!! //

In the conversational and layman's use of the term - absolutely, but in medical and criminal terms, it's something entirely different, which requires expert analysis and input - which we have had, but which bazwillrun seems less that impressed by.

[mikey4444]

I don't think there are many people in Britain who seriously believe that Sutcliff wasn't mad at the time of the crimes.

[ummmm]

Andy - I spent years working in a psychiatric hospital....you don't need to tell me.

[andy-hughes]

ummmm - //Andy - I spent years working in a psychiatric hospital....you don't need to tell me. //

Then I am happy to bow to your superior knowledge, based on experience - I wonder if bazwillrun seems the same/ Hopefully he will comment on his return.

[ToraToraTora]

Mental illness is very subjective anyway. What does that phrase mean exactly? I am often accused of mental illness because I'm not an EU fan.

[pixie374]

From working with people with schizophrenia, it's quite usual for the symptoms to improve with age, particularly in the 70s. Should have googled his age first...

[andy-hughes]

TTT - Mental illness is very subjective anyway. What does that phrase mean exactly? I am often accused of mental illness because I'm not an EU fan. //

On that basis - all medical diagnosis is 'subjective'.

Obviously it depends on interpretation, but I am sure that years of research and experience leads to some indicators and behavioural patterns that can be common to certain conditions - mental or physical.

[andy-hughes]

Excuse me bazwillrun -

Hey pix, how are you?

[pixie374]

Hi Andy xx I'm ok thanks. You?

[naomi24]

Mikey, //Mamy...I am thinking of that "T" word again !//

And you're among the first to complain about perceived insults. Best stop now.

[mikey4444]

naomi...I haven't insulted anyone !

[naomi24]

No? What all this about the 'T' word then?

[mikey4444]

Mamy knows what I mean and it was to her that my comment was aimed at.
Don't let it concern you Naomi unduly !

[naomi24]

I know what you mean too - and I suspect I'm not alone.

[andy-hughes]

namomi - //I know what you mean too - and I suspect I'm not alone. //

Quite possibly not - but I am a little confused.

I have no wish to be party to taking the thread down a side track, but what is being discussed between yourself and Mikey?

[pixie374]

Troll?

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, no problem.


divebuddy, I can't honestly see how a serial killer can be considered sane.

[mikey4444]

Naomi and I agree on something today then ! (15:51)

[pixie374]

Legally insane is different though. If he knew what he was doing and that he shouldn't be... he's sane. It's different in law.