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A Bravado Racist Chant Maybe, But A Real Act Of Racism?
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Much has been said and reported about the Chelsea fans behaviour in France, mainly due to the Video obtained by the Guardian.
Well apart from the ridiculous chant from a football crowd, and many of us have become accustomed to these over the years, was it enough for calls for the perpetrators to answer to be banned and face the law?
As far as I could see from the video, the black man was walking along the platform, until he got to the open door of the carriage containing the football crowd.
Now what was said, perhaps we will never know, but instead of the black man trying to board the train was he actually trying to confront these football supporters in an aggressive way, and if he was isn't it obvious that they would try and push him away.
Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that), but in the true football crowd tradition was this just to get back at their opponent.
I am in no way condoning an act of racism if that is what it was, but before you condemn me look at the video again.
Much has been said and reported about the Chelsea fans behaviour in France, mainly due to the Video obtained by the Guardian.
Well apart from the ridiculous chant from a football crowd, and many of us have become accustomed to these over the years, was it enough for calls for the perpetrators to answer to be banned and face the law?
As far as I could see from the video, the black man was walking along the platform, until he got to the open door of the carriage containing the football crowd.
Now what was said, perhaps we will never know, but instead of the black man trying to board the train was he actually trying to confront these football supporters in an aggressive way, and if he was isn't it obvious that they would try and push him away.
Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that), but in the true football crowd tradition was this just to get back at their opponent.
I am in no way condoning an act of racism if that is what it was, but before you condemn me look at the video again.
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If one of this gang had punched someone and put them in hospital would had there been as much uproar? No, I dont think their would. Name calling is now a more serious offence than any violent attack it seems.
16:07 Thu 19th Feb 2015
I'm going to believe AOG when he says he's playing devil's advocate.
Unfortunately, this clip is a fairly poor choice of subject as it's pretty much a slam dunk.
Note too how another black passenger departs the carriage rather than subject herself to the gang?
I'm genuinely surprised by this clip. I thought that football (or rather football fans) had left this behaviour behind in the 80s.
Unfortunately, this clip is a fairly poor choice of subject as it's pretty much a slam dunk.
Note too how another black passenger departs the carriage rather than subject herself to the gang?
I'm genuinely surprised by this clip. I thought that football (or rather football fans) had left this behaviour behind in the 80s.
AOG - "I would have thought that a so called educated person you would ghave had no difficulty in interpreting that Andy?"
By all means accuse me (unfairly) of a cheap jibe if you wish AOG, but if you wish to tame the moral high ground - as you so often do - then you cannot offer an equally cheap jibe 'so-called educated person' in return.
Admit it, your Devil's Advocacy has backfired spectacularly.
Why you feel the need to take it on yourself to 'wake us all up ...' I have absolutely no idea, but again, it has backfired on you, and now you seem keen to be a snit and pick a fight, which is your usual response when you find yourself unable to defend your position.
You are willing to accuse me of being pompous, but I never treat the News section as if it is my own personal fiefdom, as you have done today.
Best to retire gracefully and return on another, more sensible and reasonable thread - that shouldn't be very difficult.
By all means accuse me (unfairly) of a cheap jibe if you wish AOG, but if you wish to tame the moral high ground - as you so often do - then you cannot offer an equally cheap jibe 'so-called educated person' in return.
Admit it, your Devil's Advocacy has backfired spectacularly.
Why you feel the need to take it on yourself to 'wake us all up ...' I have absolutely no idea, but again, it has backfired on you, and now you seem keen to be a snit and pick a fight, which is your usual response when you find yourself unable to defend your position.
You are willing to accuse me of being pompous, but I never treat the News section as if it is my own personal fiefdom, as you have done today.
Best to retire gracefully and return on another, more sensible and reasonable thread - that shouldn't be very difficult.
Gromit
Yet another clip of that video, that proves nothing except on that one I can here the chant, but did you notice that the black man was not in the doorway when it was being chanted, although a black woman was, and who showed no emotion towards it.
Also notice that the crowd in the carriage did not appear to be chanting, not that I am saying that the chant never happened but if it did it looks as if it was superimposed on a different section of the video.
Yet another clip of that video, that proves nothing except on that one I can here the chant, but did you notice that the black man was not in the doorway when it was being chanted, although a black woman was, and who showed no emotion towards it.
Also notice that the crowd in the carriage did not appear to be chanting, not that I am saying that the chant never happened but if it did it looks as if it was superimposed on a different section of the video.
AOG - "Yet another clip of that video, that proves nothing except on that one I can here the chant, but did you notice that the black man was not in the doorway when it was being chanted, although a black woman was, and who showed no emotion towards it.
Also notice that the crowd in the carriage did not appear to be chanting, not that I am saying that the chant never happened but if it did it looks as if it was superimposed on a different section of the video."
And the Award for continuing to hold a debate position in the face of 100% disagreement, and an increasingly desperate attempt to stir up a 'debate' where one clearly does not exist, goes to .....
Also notice that the crowd in the carriage did not appear to be chanting, not that I am saying that the chant never happened but if it did it looks as if it was superimposed on a different section of the video."
And the Award for continuing to hold a debate position in the face of 100% disagreement, and an increasingly desperate attempt to stir up a 'debate' where one clearly does not exist, goes to .....
I am going to side with AOG, the racist chant was not aimed at the black chap, it is a chant about John Terry. The black chap was clearly being confrontational and should think himself lucky he did not get a clip round the ear.
Meanwhile back in the real world the 1840's have been on asking if AOG wants his credibility back.
Meanwhile back in the real world the 1840's have been on asking if AOG wants his credibility back.
Bazile
/// Erm - the behaviour against him started after he tried to board the train ///
Of course it did I am not denying that, but the carriage door was open, who can possibly say what exchange took place as he approached the open door, and before anyone says "ah yes it was all down to what the black man said", it most probably wasn't, we don't know what exchanges took place, and we don't know if he was attempting to board the train so as to travel or to take on his opponents. that is all I am saying.
But it is clear by the responses that this as attracted, it is a perfect example of mob rule, someone says this is what happened without any definite proof and the rest of the mob cries "lynch them".
Well I happen to possess a mind of my own and until such time that there is definite proof rather than an obviously edited clip vie the Guardian, (which would not stand up in a court of law), I will continue to have my doubts.
/// Erm - the behaviour against him started after he tried to board the train ///
Of course it did I am not denying that, but the carriage door was open, who can possibly say what exchange took place as he approached the open door, and before anyone says "ah yes it was all down to what the black man said", it most probably wasn't, we don't know what exchanges took place, and we don't know if he was attempting to board the train so as to travel or to take on his opponents. that is all I am saying.
But it is clear by the responses that this as attracted, it is a perfect example of mob rule, someone says this is what happened without any definite proof and the rest of the mob cries "lynch them".
Well I happen to possess a mind of my own and until such time that there is definite proof rather than an obviously edited clip vie the Guardian, (which would not stand up in a court of law), I will continue to have my doubts.
andy-highes
/// It wouldn't be the first time Till!! ///
Once again completely uncalled for, call yourself a debater you just go along with the crowd so as to court friendship.
Am I not allowed an opinion of my own based on the flimsy evidence before me. This would not stand up in any court in the land.
/// It wouldn't be the first time Till!! ///
Once again completely uncalled for, call yourself a debater you just go along with the crowd so as to court friendship.
Am I not allowed an opinion of my own based on the flimsy evidence before me. This would not stand up in any court in the land.
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