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Fgm Why Has It Taken So Long....
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...and what will they be charged with? GBH with intent? or is FGM a specific offence?
...and what will they be charged with? GBH with intent? or is FGM a specific offence?
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It is now reported that only one is a doctor.
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/// FGM has been a criminal offence since 1985, and in 2003 the maximum sentence was increased from five to 14 years in jail. ///
/// One report indicated last year that as many as 100,000 women in Britain have undergone the illegal operation, with medics in this country offering to carry out the procedure on girls as young as 10. ///
100,000???????????, seems strange that these are to be the first two to be taken to task, could it be another case of 'walking on egg shells'
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/// FGM has been a criminal offence since 1985, and in 2003 the maximum sentence was increased from five to 14 years in jail. ///
/// One report indicated last year that as many as 100,000 women in Britain have undergone the illegal operation, with medics in this country offering to carry out the procedure on girls as young as 10. ///
100,000???????????, seems strange that these are to be the first two to be taken to task, could it be another case of 'walking on egg shells'
The figures are all over the place. Simple answer is - no one knows how many people this may have been performed upon, nor where these surgeries are performed ( although it would appear that the vast majority are carried out abroad) nor who it is who performs them - what their qualifications are, if any.
The best evidence we have is based upon returns gathered from 4 London hospitals, which recorded between them 4,000 instances of FGM -discovered mostly when patients presented at the Ante-natal clinics. Of those 4,000, only 8 were actually UK -born.
More data is required, far more education and outreach into the communities in question, and more pro-active investigations of those who might be carrying out the procedure.
The best evidence we have is based upon returns gathered from 4 London hospitals, which recorded between them 4,000 instances of FGM -discovered mostly when patients presented at the Ante-natal clinics. Of those 4,000, only 8 were actually UK -born.
More data is required, far more education and outreach into the communities in question, and more pro-active investigations of those who might be carrying out the procedure.
@Canary Not quite seeing your point. Is your point that we should be taking those who perform circumcision to task? In my personal opinion, yes we should - all such surgical modifications should be left to the person to decide when they are old enough, unless there is a medical necessity -but there are some differences between the 2 procedures.
FGM is far more invasive that male circumcision is, for starters. And you will find studies showing some medical benefits to circumcision, whereas there are none for FGM.
Male circumcision is often presented as some form of religious rite of passage and defended on those grounds, but as I understand it, FGM has no such basis, being culturally inspired rather than religiously inspired.
Or are you arguing that the focus on FGM is discriminatory to men? That would be an argument that I do not understand.
FGM is far more invasive that male circumcision is, for starters. And you will find studies showing some medical benefits to circumcision, whereas there are none for FGM.
Male circumcision is often presented as some form of religious rite of passage and defended on those grounds, but as I understand it, FGM has no such basis, being culturally inspired rather than religiously inspired.
Or are you arguing that the focus on FGM is discriminatory to men? That would be an argument that I do not understand.
It is possible that the woman in this story had the FGM before it was a criminal offence so prosecuting the parents would not be possible.
In any case if it happened abroad would our justice system have any jurisdiction, especially if the parents weren't British citizens at the time.
What concerns me is that parents of FGM daughters will delay or refuse to seek medical help for FGM or any other medical problem if they know they will be punished for the FGM.
In any case if it happened abroad would our justice system have any jurisdiction, especially if the parents weren't British citizens at the time.
What concerns me is that parents of FGM daughters will delay or refuse to seek medical help for FGM or any other medical problem if they know they will be punished for the FGM.
Read sp1814's link.
Sample extract "Ultimately, the message is clear: genital mutilation is gendered. These male and female genital operations are not merely seen to differ in degree, they are seen to differ in kind. Thus, despite the heterogeneous voices speaking out against female circumcision, a common thread unites many: all forms of female genital cutting are seen to constitute a sexual mutilation and violation of bodily integrity, and male genital operations are dismissed as benign."
Sample extract "Ultimately, the message is clear: genital mutilation is gendered. These male and female genital operations are not merely seen to differ in degree, they are seen to differ in kind. Thus, despite the heterogeneous voices speaking out against female circumcision, a common thread unites many: all forms of female genital cutting are seen to constitute a sexual mutilation and violation of bodily integrity, and male genital operations are dismissed as benign."
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