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Scotland Yard Warned Yesterday That London Was Facing A “Disturbing” New Threat…
….. with jihadists as young as 16 travelling to take up arms in the Syrian conflict. Richard Walton, the head of counter-terrorism command, warned there were signs of returnees being ordered by militants associated with al-Qaeda to carry out attacks in Britain.
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Should the British public take this more seriously than it appears to at present?
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Should the British public take this more seriously than it appears to at present?
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the fact is this is not a hollow threat, that the security services have been warning for a long while of further atrocities, and you can keep the label of hotheads off the table, they are treasonable terrorists - if they can stick bombs on trains and buses in the capital, they can do it anywhere in UK. Fed up to the back teeth with these men and women, who want to rob us of our hard won freedoms and democracy, they want to turn the clock back to men rule by bomb, gun and whatever foul means they can come up with. Living here doesn't mean looking over your shoulder ever ten seconds but try sitting on a tube sometime you do wonder if a device went off what chance you would have, like the poor souls who died in 7/7
so they go to a country they may never have lived in, or perhaps their parents did, they join a terror, rebel cell and create mayhem, learn about bomb making, killing of innocents perhaps, then return to the UK with those skills, great. Surly the idea of fascism was anathema to most in UK, however the idea that Islam is full of peace loving individuals seem rather wide of the mark.
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LazyGun
/// The greatest victory against terrorism is to keep calm and carry
on. ///
Nothing at all wrong with taking that attitude, just as long as in the event of another type 7/7/05 London bombing, you are then prepared to accept Richard Walton saying "I told you so".
*** Scotland Yard warned yesterday that London was facing a “disturbing” new threat, with jihadists as young as 16 travelling to take up arms in the Syrian conflict. Richard Walton, the head of counter-terrorism command, warned there were signs of returnees being ordered by militants associated with al-Qaeda to carry out attacks in Britain ///
/// The greatest victory against terrorism is to keep calm and carry
on. ///
Nothing at all wrong with taking that attitude, just as long as in the event of another type 7/7/05 London bombing, you are then prepared to accept Richard Walton saying "I told you so".
*** Scotland Yard warned yesterday that London was facing a “disturbing” new threat, with jihadists as young as 16 travelling to take up arms in the Syrian conflict. Richard Walton, the head of counter-terrorism command, warned there were signs of returnees being ordered by militants associated with al-Qaeda to carry out attacks in Britain ///
@AoG "Nothing at all wrong with taking that attitude, just as long as in the event of another type 7/7/05 London bombing, you are then prepared to accept Richard Walton saying "I told you so"."
Perfectly true.
There has to be a balance between a fair and reasoned approach to the heightened dangers of domestic terrorism and the introduction of the wholesale surveillance state through exaggerated threats of terror attacks. To me, this balance has been tilted too far in favour of the spooks, to the detriment of our society.
Perfectly true.
There has to be a balance between a fair and reasoned approach to the heightened dangers of domestic terrorism and the introduction of the wholesale surveillance state through exaggerated threats of terror attacks. To me, this balance has been tilted too far in favour of the spooks, to the detriment of our society.
AOG
As someone who worked in Kings Cross at the time when 7/7 happened, the best I could do as a member of the general public, was exactly that. Carry on as normal the next day.
naomi24 - if the security services are stating that the threat level is heightened then yes, the public should take it more seriously - but to what effect?
Taking something seriously has no effect whatsoever on the threat.
What does make a difference is action...and I would suggest positive action, rather than negative.
As someone who worked in Kings Cross at the time when 7/7 happened, the best I could do as a member of the general public, was exactly that. Carry on as normal the next day.
naomi24 - if the security services are stating that the threat level is heightened then yes, the public should take it more seriously - but to what effect?
Taking something seriously has no effect whatsoever on the threat.
What does make a difference is action...and I would suggest positive action, rather than negative.
jno, //Orwell went abroad to fight for other people.//
Yes, but he didn’t return with intentions of harming this country or its people, did he. That’s a naively ridiculous comparison.
SP, //What does make a difference is action...//
I seriously think the moderate Muslim population need to take a stand here and say loudly and clearly ‘Not in my name’. When Lee Rigby was slaughtered, had those people taken to the streets with banners in protest instead of flocking, as we’re told they did, to their mosques, it would have sent the most powerful message possible to the rest of the world – and more to the point to the people who, regardless of their country of origin, are championing Islamic fundamentalism.
Yes, but he didn’t return with intentions of harming this country or its people, did he. That’s a naively ridiculous comparison.
SP, //What does make a difference is action...//
I seriously think the moderate Muslim population need to take a stand here and say loudly and clearly ‘Not in my name’. When Lee Rigby was slaughtered, had those people taken to the streets with banners in protest instead of flocking, as we’re told they did, to their mosques, it would have sent the most powerful message possible to the rest of the world – and more to the point to the people who, regardless of their country of origin, are championing Islamic fundamentalism.
I genuinely don't think that'd make a lick of difference in practical terms. It may well make some people who aren't Muslims feel better, but how does that challenge fundamentalism?
It takes work within the Muslim communities to tackle extremism, not placard waving.
There's an online PDF of a document written by Mehmood Naqshbandi which covers the fight against Islamic extremism in the UK which makes interesting reading (although it's quite a slog).
It takes work within the Muslim communities to tackle extremism, not placard waving.
There's an online PDF of a document written by Mehmood Naqshbandi which covers the fight against Islamic extremism in the UK which makes interesting reading (although it's quite a slog).
SP, //how does that challenge fundamentalism?//
It challenges fundamentalism by speaking out and openly opposing it.
//It takes work within the Muslim communities to tackle extremism, not placard waving.//
But isn’t placard waving the result of organisational work within the community? Just as people at the mosque in Acton must have known the suspected terrorist who recently absconded under a burqa, I’ve no doubt that some of the 5000 who attended just one London mosque after the slaughter of Lee Rigby know people who have radical views, but they keep quiet about it. Imagine though, if they’d had the courage to take to the streets and actually visibly demonstrate their opposition. Radical Islamists – and others – perceive themselves predominately not as patriots of any country in particular, but as brothers in Islam regardless of their origins and that is what moderate Muslims have to acknowledge and make a stand against – but they don’t because they are always Muslim first and patriot second. This is a mindset like no other and the cure can only come from within – but it’s nowhere to be seen, at least not in any constructive way.
It challenges fundamentalism by speaking out and openly opposing it.
//It takes work within the Muslim communities to tackle extremism, not placard waving.//
But isn’t placard waving the result of organisational work within the community? Just as people at the mosque in Acton must have known the suspected terrorist who recently absconded under a burqa, I’ve no doubt that some of the 5000 who attended just one London mosque after the slaughter of Lee Rigby know people who have radical views, but they keep quiet about it. Imagine though, if they’d had the courage to take to the streets and actually visibly demonstrate their opposition. Radical Islamists – and others – perceive themselves predominately not as patriots of any country in particular, but as brothers in Islam regardless of their origins and that is what moderate Muslims have to acknowledge and make a stand against – but they don’t because they are always Muslim first and patriot second. This is a mindset like no other and the cure can only come from within – but it’s nowhere to be seen, at least not in any constructive way.
keyplus read this
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If our Gov is involved, why would this be published (in same link above)
"....Theresa May, the Home Secretary, is considering stripping terrorism suspects of their citizenship by cancelling their passports if they go abroad to fight, preventing them from returning to Britain...."
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If our Gov is involved, why would this be published (in same link above)
"....Theresa May, the Home Secretary, is considering stripping terrorism suspects of their citizenship by cancelling their passports if they go abroad to fight, preventing them from returning to Britain...."
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