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Its Seems Ok For Muslims....
...to be able to preach hatred outside Mosques in the UK and try to disrupt our soldiers marching through Towns but, when one person makes a comment on FB she could face prosecution.
I know it was a stupid thing to do but surely it works both ways!
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I know it was a stupid thing to do but surely it works both ways!
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I don't suppose anything will come of someone on facebook hoping hundreds of muslims had drowned off of Iitaly. And so it shouldn't.
It is a horrible thing to wish for, but there is no law against being an horrible person. Wishing someone dead because they do not belong to the same religion as you is pretty vile and I hope she gets a hard time off of her friends, but if she genuinely thinks, that, then the law should not be invoked.
As for muslims preaching hate outside mosques, well they don't. Outdoor speeches are monitored and the police and they can stop them if they become illegal. No one is ever arrested, because the law is not broken.
No muslim group has ever tried to stop soldiers marching through towns. They may have made protests by the side of the road about invading muslim countries and killing thousands of civilians in those countries, but they have not tried to stop any homecoming parades.
So, a bit of a duff question.
It is a horrible thing to wish for, but there is no law against being an horrible person. Wishing someone dead because they do not belong to the same religion as you is pretty vile and I hope she gets a hard time off of her friends, but if she genuinely thinks, that, then the law should not be invoked.
As for muslims preaching hate outside mosques, well they don't. Outdoor speeches are monitored and the police and they can stop them if they become illegal. No one is ever arrested, because the law is not broken.
No muslim group has ever tried to stop soldiers marching through towns. They may have made protests by the side of the road about invading muslim countries and killing thousands of civilians in those countries, but they have not tried to stop any homecoming parades.
So, a bit of a duff question.
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Suppose some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants.
Baza,
They do not. If there are preachers of hate, and I suspect there are, they are not dumb enough to preach in public in full view and hearing of anyone. The indoctrinate in private, in small rooms, probably to just a few 'followers'.
But any fanatic does not have to be preached at on the street, to turn them. The internet is full of religous hate whether it comes from highly financed mullahs in Saudi Arabia, or evangelists in the US.
They do not. If there are preachers of hate, and I suspect there are, they are not dumb enough to preach in public in full view and hearing of anyone. The indoctrinate in private, in small rooms, probably to just a few 'followers'.
But any fanatic does not have to be preached at on the street, to turn them. The internet is full of religous hate whether it comes from highly financed mullahs in Saudi Arabia, or evangelists in the US.
gromit...I am sure I remember a Muslim preacher, having to preach in the street outside the Mosque, because he was banned from the Mosque itself. Wasn't it that chap with the hook ?
But your central point stands....most of the hate preached seems to be on the internet, which is a difficult or impossible to control.
But to return to the original post, all hate crimes are unacceptable, no matter who does it to whom.
But your central point stands....most of the hate preached seems to be on the internet, which is a difficult or impossible to control.
But to return to the original post, all hate crimes are unacceptable, no matter who does it to whom.
Mikey4444,
Yes, that is what I was refering to when I said the police monitor open air speeches. Hamza was prosecuted but (I don't think) it was for anything said in public. At yhe trial we learned of his links to the security services....
// London-based imam Abu Hamza al-Masri starts working with two branches of the British security services, the police’s Special Branch and MI5, the domestic counterintelligence service. The relationships continue for several years and there are at least seven meetings between Abu Hamza and MI5 between 1997 and 2000. Based on records of the meetings, authors Daniel O’Neill and Sean McGrory will describe the relationship as “respectful, polite, and often cooperative.”
Rhetoric - One theme in the meetings, which take place at Abu Hamza’s home and a mosque he runs in Finsbury Park, is that the security services tell Abu Hamza that they do not want any trouble and ask him to tone down some of his more inflammatory comments. Abu Hamza listens politely, but always replies he is committed to jihad. However, over this period Abu Hamza’s rhetoric changes subtly, and he begins attacking “Zionists,” rather than simply “Jews.” Abu Hamza will later say that he asks security officers if his sermons are inappropriate, and they reply, “No, freedom of speech, you don’t have to worry unless we see blood on the streets.”
Yes, that is what I was refering to when I said the police monitor open air speeches. Hamza was prosecuted but (I don't think) it was for anything said in public. At yhe trial we learned of his links to the security services....
// London-based imam Abu Hamza al-Masri starts working with two branches of the British security services, the police’s Special Branch and MI5, the domestic counterintelligence service. The relationships continue for several years and there are at least seven meetings between Abu Hamza and MI5 between 1997 and 2000. Based on records of the meetings, authors Daniel O’Neill and Sean McGrory will describe the relationship as “respectful, polite, and often cooperative.”
Rhetoric - One theme in the meetings, which take place at Abu Hamza’s home and a mosque he runs in Finsbury Park, is that the security services tell Abu Hamza that they do not want any trouble and ask him to tone down some of his more inflammatory comments. Abu Hamza listens politely, but always replies he is committed to jihad. However, over this period Abu Hamza’s rhetoric changes subtly, and he begins attacking “Zionists,” rather than simply “Jews.” Abu Hamza will later say that he asks security officers if his sermons are inappropriate, and they reply, “No, freedom of speech, you don’t have to worry unless we see blood on the streets.”
jomifl...I don't speak Arabic either but there appears to be some fire to this smoke :::
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If Hamza wasn't preaching hatred, why was he banned from preaching in the Mosque, and had to preach in the middle of the road instead ?
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If Hamza wasn't preaching hatred, why was he banned from preaching in the Mosque, and had to preach in the middle of the road instead ?
/// Housewife Nicky Hutt, 35, of Poole, branded a racist after posting slur ///
/// Mrs Turay, from Bournemouth, said: ‘I'm not trying to start a war at all, I just want peace, but racism like this has to be exposed. ///
/// A Dorset Police spokesman said: ‘We've had a report of a racist message placed on Facebook. It was reported to us by a Poole woman and we are investigating.’ ///
How can it be 'RACIST' to say certain thing against Muslims?
Muslims worship the Islamic religion, and can belong to any race.
Could one call a person who 'bad mouthed' persons of the Catholic faith, also a 'RACIST'?
/// Mrs Turay, from Bournemouth, said: ‘I'm not trying to start a war at all, I just want peace, but racism like this has to be exposed. ///
/// A Dorset Police spokesman said: ‘We've had a report of a racist message placed on Facebook. It was reported to us by a Poole woman and we are investigating.’ ///
How can it be 'RACIST' to say certain thing against Muslims?
Muslims worship the Islamic religion, and can belong to any race.
Could one call a person who 'bad mouthed' persons of the Catholic faith, also a 'RACIST'?
