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Here is a salutory lesson for the Self-Rigteous Brothers who think it's perfectly OK for hot-headed gun-owning householders to take potshots at intruders.
Here is a salutory lesson for the Self-Rigteous Brothers who think it's perfectly OK for hot-headed gun-owning householders to take potshots at intruders.
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baza - the point is that the guy has to live with shooting his son for the rest of his life.
It beggars belief that in a civilised society in 2012, there are people who really do think it's Ok to gun down another human being in defence of their property.
I appreeciate that this case is slightly different - the father felt his life was at risk, but what's wrong with a shot into the air to prove that the gun is loaded, and you are prepared to use it?
If people hold guns, people get killed, and I find it hard to reconcile some frontersman 'a man's home is his castle' rhetoric to balance that fact.
It beggars belief that in a civilised society in 2012, there are people who really do think it's Ok to gun down another human being in defence of their property.
I appreeciate that this case is slightly different - the father felt his life was at risk, but what's wrong with a shot into the air to prove that the gun is loaded, and you are prepared to use it?
If people hold guns, people get killed, and I find it hard to reconcile some frontersman 'a man's home is his castle' rhetoric to balance that fact.
andy no-one makes a burglar break into someone's property. It's up to the burglar to weigh up the risks and decide if it's worth the possibility that he may be shot (especially in the countryside). I used to live in a small village and the first Mr Craft had a licensed shotgun. It really is a Clint Eastwood situation in "So tell me punk, do you feel lucky?"
When I was single I returned home one night to find my house had been burgled. At first I was terrified that they were still in the house, and then I just stood there and shook. I loved my house but the burglars just ruined it for me. For months afterwards I checked every window and door when leaving the house, and the same when I came home. I even got to the stage of checking in wardrobes and under the beds because I was so scared someone could be hiding..........in the end I had to sell the house as I just didn't feel safe..............burglars are scum.
I am not for one minute trying to argue for a burglars' charter here, but I honestly find the notion that a burlgar 'takes his chances' when breaking into a house when the houseowner may be armed to be a chilling concept.
For the record, I have been burgled, and I do understand the feelings of invasion and violation that follow, but the idea that if I had a gun and been there i would have shot someone is frankly appalling.
Yes, he (or she!) may have been lifting my tv, but that would be no comfort to me if i took someone's life, and the idea that some kind of self-justification can be proffered because they 'deserved it' cuts no ice with me at all.
craft - you talk about a 'Clint Eastwood' situation - but remember Harry's other speech? Nolt the 'Do you feel lucky ...punk?' or the 'Make my day ...' lines, but the concept of people gunning each other down in the way that some people think is acceptable as 'defence of property'.
As Clint says "Next thing you know, you are executing your neighbour because his dog pisses on your lawn ..." so maybe it is not quite as simple as such opinion hoilders are trying to infer.
For the record, I have been burgled, and I do understand the feelings of invasion and violation that follow, but the idea that if I had a gun and been there i would have shot someone is frankly appalling.
Yes, he (or she!) may have been lifting my tv, but that would be no comfort to me if i took someone's life, and the idea that some kind of self-justification can be proffered because they 'deserved it' cuts no ice with me at all.
craft - you talk about a 'Clint Eastwood' situation - but remember Harry's other speech? Nolt the 'Do you feel lucky ...punk?' or the 'Make my day ...' lines, but the concept of people gunning each other down in the way that some people think is acceptable as 'defence of property'.
As Clint says "Next thing you know, you are executing your neighbour because his dog pisses on your lawn ..." so maybe it is not quite as simple as such opinion hoilders are trying to infer.
baza - thank you.
As I have said, I do not for one moment condone the invasion of anyone's property - or person, but the notion that you can shoot someone for it becomes the thin end of a very nasty wedge.
There's a guy who walks his dog past my house most nights, and his dog wees on the wheelarch of my car parked outside - does it justify a bullet behind the ear for either - or indeed both?
I know that's an extreme example, but there are people there, who, given that level of largesse, would indulge it, and hey presto, a vigilante survival-of-the-fitest mindset rumbles into view.
We have to be very careful of this train of thought - because of where it could lead, and where we as a society could finish up.
As I have said, I do not for one moment condone the invasion of anyone's property - or person, but the notion that you can shoot someone for it becomes the thin end of a very nasty wedge.
There's a guy who walks his dog past my house most nights, and his dog wees on the wheelarch of my car parked outside - does it justify a bullet behind the ear for either - or indeed both?
I know that's an extreme example, but there are people there, who, given that level of largesse, would indulge it, and hey presto, a vigilante survival-of-the-fitest mindset rumbles into view.
We have to be very careful of this train of thought - because of where it could lead, and where we as a society could finish up.
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