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Why is it that this case seems to be a taboo subject?
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http://www.dailymail....id-listen-victim.html
Forgive me for raising this issue once again but I think questions should be asked.
I have just gone to considerable trouble to enter into debate on this case, only to find that the question has been removed once again, along with my post.
Why is it that very few wish to discuss this headline news report? It seems that just like the police ABers fear being branded as racist if they say anything that criticises the actions of these child abductors and rapists.
/// Former Labour MP for Keighley Ann Cryer said that the authorities ignored complaints about them because they were 'petrified of being called racist'. ///
The police who waited over two years before taking action, refuse to class this as a racist case, excuse me but this was an attack on white girls only, by gangs of Asian men, how can that not be racist?
If the roles were reversed and it was gangs of white men attacking Asian girls, there would be all hell let loose, especially if the police waited two years before taking action, no doubt we would have seen the Asian community taking to the streets in protest.
Forgive me for raising this issue once again but I think questions should be asked.
I have just gone to considerable trouble to enter into debate on this case, only to find that the question has been removed once again, along with my post.
Why is it that very few wish to discuss this headline news report? It seems that just like the police ABers fear being branded as racist if they say anything that criticises the actions of these child abductors and rapists.
/// Former Labour MP for Keighley Ann Cryer said that the authorities ignored complaints about them because they were 'petrified of being called racist'. ///
The police who waited over two years before taking action, refuse to class this as a racist case, excuse me but this was an attack on white girls only, by gangs of Asian men, how can that not be racist?
If the roles were reversed and it was gangs of white men attacking Asian girls, there would be all hell let loose, especially if the police waited two years before taking action, no doubt we would have seen the Asian community taking to the streets in protest.
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Zeuhl
/// You are telling us that you think Muslim and Hindu families don't place any more restrictions on their children than the vast majority of white people would think 'normal'? ///
I think you suffer from restricted reasoning.
I said nothing about Muslim, Hindu, or even Buddhist families etc,
My reference to ethnic families in that instance, was of black families.
Hence /// 'some' ethnic families ///
The secret lies in the word 'SOME'.
Hope that clears things up for you.
/// You are telling us that you think Muslim and Hindu families don't place any more restrictions on their children than the vast majority of white people would think 'normal'? ///
I think you suffer from restricted reasoning.
I said nothing about Muslim, Hindu, or even Buddhist families etc,
My reference to ethnic families in that instance, was of black families.
Hence /// 'some' ethnic families ///
The secret lies in the word 'SOME'.
Hope that clears things up for you.
naomi, i have read through that, and listened to any number of reports, and what comes across is the element that is under discussion, that these men do not see white girls, women even, as anything other than trash.
And the fact is being brushed under the carpet in their own communities, which makes it much harder to deal with or have any feelings other than it is racial. That it's how they can be perceived as well behaved, good fathers, husbands, Muslims, and yet in reality have hearts of stone.
And the fact is being brushed under the carpet in their own communities, which makes it much harder to deal with or have any feelings other than it is racial. That it's how they can be perceived as well behaved, good fathers, husbands, Muslims, and yet in reality have hearts of stone.
Zeuhl
/// Where is the evidence that it was a racist offence in that they had a choice of vulnerables from various racial groups and chose to target just the whites? ///
Doesn't it also work this way round?
Where is the evidence that it was a racist offence in that they had a choice of vunerables from various racial groups and chose to target just the blacks.
/// Where is the evidence that it was a racist offence in that they had a choice of vulnerables from various racial groups and chose to target just the whites? ///
Doesn't it also work this way round?
Where is the evidence that it was a racist offence in that they had a choice of vunerables from various racial groups and chose to target just the blacks.
It was white girls he was referring to[i
em
and what had the interviewer asked him about?
Old Git
[i]I think you suffer from restricted reasoning]
Yes I do. It is restricted by logical sequence of ideas and above all a clarity of language and thinking
Restrictions you apparently aren't hindered by.
I appreciate that as an old man you may be physically or mentally limited in what you can choose as a pastime so I understand that coming on here and picking silly arguments might well be a valid leisure pursuit for you.
However, as my objective of exchanging rational ideas in a clear and honest way with like minded individuals is at variance with yours I think I will desist from pointing out more deficincies in your posts for today.
Continuing to do so might be wrongly construed as adding some credibility to your Thread which (typical of your Threads I'm sorry to say) was dishonest, mischievous and based on a false premise in the first place.
em
and what had the interviewer asked him about?
Old Git
[i]I think you suffer from restricted reasoning]
Yes I do. It is restricted by logical sequence of ideas and above all a clarity of language and thinking
Restrictions you apparently aren't hindered by.
I appreciate that as an old man you may be physically or mentally limited in what you can choose as a pastime so I understand that coming on here and picking silly arguments might well be a valid leisure pursuit for you.
However, as my objective of exchanging rational ideas in a clear and honest way with like minded individuals is at variance with yours I think I will desist from pointing out more deficincies in your posts for today.
Continuing to do so might be wrongly construed as adding some credibility to your Thread which (typical of your Threads I'm sorry to say) was dishonest, mischievous and based on a false premise in the first place.
Zeuhl
/// I appreciate that as an old man you may be physically or mentally limited in what you can choose as a pastime ///
I may be physically limited, but compared to you I am in no way mentally limited.
Obviously you turn to insults when you can no longer construct a reasonable argument against me.
/// However, as my objective of exchanging rational ideas in a clear and honest way with like minded individuals is at variance with yours ///
I have news for you you have failed, simply because you are not skilled enough to exchange rational ideas, only those that you yourself agree with.
So taking this on-board, I consider yourself not the right type of person to continue debating with at the moment, or in the very near future.
/// I appreciate that as an old man you may be physically or mentally limited in what you can choose as a pastime ///
I may be physically limited, but compared to you I am in no way mentally limited.
Obviously you turn to insults when you can no longer construct a reasonable argument against me.
/// However, as my objective of exchanging rational ideas in a clear and honest way with like minded individuals is at variance with yours ///
I have news for you you have failed, simply because you are not skilled enough to exchange rational ideas, only those that you yourself agree with.
So taking this on-board, I consider yourself not the right type of person to continue debating with at the moment, or in the very near future.
Wait for it I feel an appeal is about to be entered.
They are saying that BNP leader Nick griffin was in cahoots with the jury.
/// “We are left with no option but to conclude that the confidentiality of the jury’s deliberations must have been breached and we submit the proper inference should be drawn that there must have been improper communication from within the jury room to Nick Griffin and perhaps others.” ///
http://www.telegraph....contact-with-BNP.html
They are saying that BNP leader Nick griffin was in cahoots with the jury.
/// “We are left with no option but to conclude that the confidentiality of the jury’s deliberations must have been breached and we submit the proper inference should be drawn that there must have been improper communication from within the jury room to Nick Griffin and perhaps others.” ///
http://www.telegraph....contact-with-BNP.html
Hang on - have we all been victims of 'collection assumption-making'?
We don't actually know the ethnicities of the girls involved. naomi24 - I completely agree with you in that it shouldn't make a difference, but if these gangs target vulnerable girls, and vulnernable girls in care tend to be white (hang on - let me finish), then race does become a factor.
AOG - you correctly stated that there are vulnerable black children in care, but we're taking about Rochdale here - the area in which the gang operated and Rochdale does not have a large black/African/West Indian population, therefore there will be fewer vulnerable black girls to prey on.
We don't actually know the ethnicities of the girls involved. naomi24 - I completely agree with you in that it shouldn't make a difference, but if these gangs target vulnerable girls, and vulnernable girls in care tend to be white (hang on - let me finish), then race does become a factor.
AOG - you correctly stated that there are vulnerable black children in care, but we're taking about Rochdale here - the area in which the gang operated and Rochdale does not have a large black/African/West Indian population, therefore there will be fewer vulnerable black girls to prey on.
Wow...just...wow:
"On May 3, while the jury was still deliberating on its verdicts, Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National Party, tweeted: “Newsflash: Seven of the Muslim paedophile ring found guilty in Liverpool.”
Stunning.
Nick Griffin goes on record to state the number of men convicted whilst the jury are still deliberating.
This should be pretty easy to prove/disprove...I mean, it may just be a bit of bravado on Mr Griffin's part.
Howeverm if it turns out that he or his representatives have been in contact with the jury whilst deliberations were ongoing, and this forms a basis of an upheld appeal, Griffin should face jail time.
"On May 3, while the jury was still deliberating on its verdicts, Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National Party, tweeted: “Newsflash: Seven of the Muslim paedophile ring found guilty in Liverpool.”
Stunning.
Nick Griffin goes on record to state the number of men convicted whilst the jury are still deliberating.
This should be pretty easy to prove/disprove...I mean, it may just be a bit of bravado on Mr Griffin's part.
Howeverm if it turns out that he or his representatives have been in contact with the jury whilst deliberations were ongoing, and this forms a basis of an upheld appeal, Griffin should face jail time.
this also of interest for some conflicting points between the police and the Judge.
http://news.sky.com/h...k-news/video/16224735
http://news.sky.com/h...k-news/video/16224735
According to TV reports, the judge ruled on the question of the jury's verdicts being known and he continued with the case to full verdicts. There are various ways in which the earlier verdicts could be known at large. Obviously, if the jury were asked whether there was any verdict upon which they were all agreed, the jury foreman would have said 'yes' and may have said what these were,whether invited to do so or not. That question is asked whenever the jury is called back for a direction or further direction on majority verdicts. The verdicts being announced, the judge might have said not to report them until all verdicts were known, or the press, it being an incomplete story, might have decided not to report the verdicts then.
Or it could be that the jury usher was passed a note giving the verdicts, handed it to the clerk, and the verdicts leaked out that way, via some court official, accidentally or not. Hard to see how a jury member acting alone could get them out, given that the jury seem to have decided the case in the court, not being sent to a hotel, during their deliberations. Perhaps one phoned them out on a mobile, but that seems unlikely, given the known fate of jurors who misbehave like that, and the warnings given about jury secrecy.
Or it could be that the jury usher was passed a note giving the verdicts, handed it to the clerk, and the verdicts leaked out that way, via some court official, accidentally or not. Hard to see how a jury member acting alone could get them out, given that the jury seem to have decided the case in the court, not being sent to a hotel, during their deliberations. Perhaps one phoned them out on a mobile, but that seems unlikely, given the known fate of jurors who misbehave like that, and the warnings given about jury secrecy.
FredPuli43 makes some good points there.
Now thinking about it - how could the information get out? I've never done jury service, but I assume that all mobile phones and other communication devices (such as tablet computers) would be confiscated whilst the jury were deliberating...but they weren't sequestered - so perhaps a jury member contacted a third party whilst at home?
I suppose only Mr Griffin knows the answer to that.
Now thinking about it - how could the information get out? I've never done jury service, but I assume that all mobile phones and other communication devices (such as tablet computers) would be confiscated whilst the jury were deliberating...but they weren't sequestered - so perhaps a jury member contacted a third party whilst at home?
I suppose only Mr Griffin knows the answer to that.
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