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Irish Passports ?
Both my paternal grandparents were born, in what is now Northern Ireland.
Does anybody know for sure if that would entitle me to apply for Irish citizenship, and consequently an Irish passport ?
Does anybody know for sure if that would entitle me to apply for Irish citizenship, and consequently an Irish passport ?
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In your case I think, out of curiosity, I'd e-mail them, were I you, to clarify the situation, and whether when they state Ireland they actually mean Ireland, or Eire. From scanning your link it reads to me that your grandparents had to be Irish citizens, implying citizens of Eire, rather than Irish UK citizens.
you hear de Oirish Ambassady say that you were/could be Oirish and den you are asking us ?
den you most be Oirish !
As I have often ( up to a thousand toimes way-hey!) said
common law principles of nationality follow jus solis ( de law of de land) and follow where you were born. To general silence or AB quips of " wot dat den ? If it is juice den I'll have orange juice!" and other screamingly funny one liners. This led to the Dutch threatening to shoot the sons of englishmen born in the Dutch republics in 1900 if they didnt saddle up and join the boers against the Great White Queen in the Boer War. Result: 200 000 refugees on the Natal Border
You could in principle get nationality under parental grounds ( jus gentium) [ no: orange juice still please !] and Eddie has told us how he drove for three days to register his daughter's birth in then Northern Rhodesia at the nearest British Consulate. or didnt - anyway that was what you did in the Good Old Days to ensure nationality if born elsewhere
But it has all all changed by statute - with a stress towards blood and not land ( sort of jus gentium wins) and looks as tho it did in 2005 in Oireland.
so.....
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ask the Oirish or an ambassady
and you will see that if you have an Oirish grandparent you can be Oirish as of right ( it aint granted -you demand it and get it)
Yes I am aware of the irony that mostly it is Oirish usually applying to get British nationality
so yes Mikey the irish govt says you can apply and get as of right an Irish passport
(I wonder if Mikey will shrug and say translation please
or say instead Yippee I understand the point of that post ! yeah! )
den you most be Oirish !
As I have often ( up to a thousand toimes way-hey!) said
common law principles of nationality follow jus solis ( de law of de land) and follow where you were born. To general silence or AB quips of " wot dat den ? If it is juice den I'll have orange juice!" and other screamingly funny one liners. This led to the Dutch threatening to shoot the sons of englishmen born in the Dutch republics in 1900 if they didnt saddle up and join the boers against the Great White Queen in the Boer War. Result: 200 000 refugees on the Natal Border
You could in principle get nationality under parental grounds ( jus gentium) [ no: orange juice still please !] and Eddie has told us how he drove for three days to register his daughter's birth in then Northern Rhodesia at the nearest British Consulate. or didnt - anyway that was what you did in the Good Old Days to ensure nationality if born elsewhere
But it has all all changed by statute - with a stress towards blood and not land ( sort of jus gentium wins) and looks as tho it did in 2005 in Oireland.
so.....
http://
ask the Oirish or an ambassady
and you will see that if you have an Oirish grandparent you can be Oirish as of right ( it aint granted -you demand it and get it)
Yes I am aware of the irony that mostly it is Oirish usually applying to get British nationality
so yes Mikey the irish govt says you can apply and get as of right an Irish passport
(I wonder if Mikey will shrug and say translation please
or say instead Yippee I understand the point of that post ! yeah! )
o forget this eire bullocks please !
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You dont say - "I am going to Ethpanya" for a booze up" do you?
or
"Are you Polski ? I thought you were Polish ! Where polsky den?"
Dublin called the state Eire from 1959 but then stopped twenty years later. Erse by the way is the English word for the Irish Gaelic language but I have never heard anyone use it ( including the Irish)
and no OG it is not confusing
the URL I have given stipulates
If either of your parents was an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland, then you are automatically an Irish citizen, irrespective of your place of birth.
which seems pretty clar to me
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You dont say - "I am going to Ethpanya" for a booze up" do you?
or
"Are you Polski ? I thought you were Polish ! Where polsky den?"
Dublin called the state Eire from 1959 but then stopped twenty years later. Erse by the way is the English word for the Irish Gaelic language but I have never heard anyone use it ( including the Irish)
and no OG it is not confusing
the URL I have given stipulates
If either of your parents was an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland, then you are automatically an Irish citizen, irrespective of your place of birth.
which seems pretty clar to me
Not confusing ? "Citizenship through descent from Irish grandparents
If one of your grandparents is an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland, but neither of your parents was born in Ireland, you may become an Irish citizen. You will need to have your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register – see below." i.e. it states that one of your grandparents had to be an Irish citizen, which would only be true in the republic.
If one of your grandparents is an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland, but neither of your parents was born in Ireland, you may become an Irish citizen. You will need to have your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register – see below." i.e. it states that one of your grandparents had to be an Irish citizen, which would only be true in the republic.
It helps clarify which part of the island one is on about, as a citizen of the republic of Ireland, all my post is addressed to that and not Éire, sin scéile eile! I'm going out for some air because I never seen such double standards, brexit, oh I wanna passport for when it suits me to be in the EU.
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umm the wording of a british passport is irrelevant to whether he is Irish according to Irish Law
After the unpleasantness of 1922 the legislators took quite a sensible view ( whilst the Irish were at each others throats now in the Civil War) - and put in undefended border - free movement of people, votes in England for Irish nationals if they were resident - unlike 1947 when members of the British Raj were kicked around by their once imperial masters
and everyone in the then Irish Free State had been born within the then confines of the United Kingdom and were entitled if they wished to claim British nationality
the only thing is Did the Dail enact mirror provisions in the twenties?
It looks from the URL that they did
After the unpleasantness of 1922 the legislators took quite a sensible view ( whilst the Irish were at each others throats now in the Civil War) - and put in undefended border - free movement of people, votes in England for Irish nationals if they were resident - unlike 1947 when members of the British Raj were kicked around by their once imperial masters
and everyone in the then Irish Free State had been born within the then confines of the United Kingdom and were entitled if they wished to claim British nationality
the only thing is Did the Dail enact mirror provisions in the twenties?
It looks from the URL that they did
gness....have a look at this .....I have been to the area that St Patrick may have come from. It has a wonderful Roman Road running through the location, with some of the original marching surface still very much intact and in still in use !
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Thanks, Mikey......that's interesting....quite happy for Patrick to be Welsh.....I know he wasn't Irish...though I have to often take family to climb his mountain in Mayo.....I wait in the pub at the bottom....
But the Irish really are not Welsh swimmers...the Irish aren't great swimmers.....though some Spaniards managed to make it from the wrecked ships to the Mayo coast.....more by luck than by swimming ability....x
But the Irish really are not Welsh swimmers...the Irish aren't great swimmers.....though some Spaniards managed to make it from the wrecked ships to the Mayo coast.....more by luck than by swimming ability....x
