Oh Dear Riots In Oregon......

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37946231
Can someone tell these eejits that democracy means that occasionally you don't get your own way.

[EDDIE51]

'One problem with democracy means that occasionally you don't get your own way''
That is the problem in this case! Clinton actually had more personal votes than Trump ! But due to the 'electoral college' system Trump got in!
So someone who fewer people voted for gets to be President.
I can just imagine your reaction T T T if it had been the other way round and Trump got more votes but lost to Clinton !

[ToraToraTora]

stop it with the semantic BS, The US like The UK does not have PR, simples.

[Baldric]

Are we in danger of running out of SGs for our lot 'cause they're all going to the US of A?

[EDDIE51]

Clinton currently has 400,000 more popular votes than Trump
http://www.ibtimes.com/latest-popular-vote-results-2016-hillary-clinton-has-almost-400000-more-votes-winner-2445216
It is not Bulls**** it's fact!

[ToraToraTora]

yes it's a fact, but in the US they count electoral college votes and Trump has a lot more.

[cassa333]

Send them the remaining remainiacs to gee them on a bit.

They can cheer each other up with stories round the camp fire of how they tried and tried and then tried really hard to kill democracy.

[mushroom25]

//But due to the 'electoral college' system Trump got in! //

that's the beauty of democracy - if the American voter doesn't like the electoral college system, then they should vote for those who campaign on a platform of abolition.

[Answerprancer]

"Can someone tell these eejits that democracy means that occasionally you don't get your own way"
Like in Germany when "democracy" voted in Hitler?

[ToraToraTora]

I'll take godwin on that one!

[hereIam]

Brilliant post cassa ...

[ToraToraTora]

yep BA cassa, maybe they can take a container full of sour grapes too.

[Mamyalynne]

Are you sponsored for each time you trot that phrase out TTT?

By these, maybe?

http://www.ukva.org.uk/

It's now getting to the point of making me giggle it's so overused.

[Mamyalynne]

Sorry, re the question - the riots are a waste of time and energy.

They'll go home when they're hungry.

[ToraToraTora]

I'd not mention it if I was not given reason to mamy!

[Mamyalynne]

Oh well, I've never been a fan of tedious repetition - guess we are all different.

[Old_Geezer]

PR is an awful system by and large and not really relevant to this. It is a pity that any excuse it sued to try to push it as if individuals in a political party is the same as the party itself.

The presidential election is the whole population making a choice between the candidates for a particular job. In such a case a single count, where every individual vote is treated the same, is the most democratic option (as was the case in our recent referendum); so the electoral college system is rightfully criticised. However it is the system everyone accepts they compete under prior to the vote, so there is not any cause to bellyache about the result afterwards.

Ultimately, however, the vote has still just appointed an elite who need not take any notice of the democratic opinion of the people thereafter.

[joggerjayne]

I don't think Hillary has ever spoken out for changing the electoral system.

She has vocally supported ...

- building a "physical barrier" across the Mexican border
- banning gay marriage
- invading Iraq
- arming Afghanistan, etc

But not changing the electoral system.

Or has she??

[Bazile]

//- banning gay marriage//

Has she really ?

I thought that it was the Republicans , supported by the Evangelicals that are against that sort of thing

[tamborine]

St Obama wont intervene.....now thats sour grapes ;)