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It Would Seem That Trump Is Not Alone In His Thinking.
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/// 55 per cent of Europeans across 10 countries think further immigration from mostly-Muslim countries should stop. ///
And that was before Donald Trump introduced his controversial immigration ban in the US.
/// 55 per cent of Europeans across 10 countries think further immigration from mostly-Muslim countries should stop. ///
And that was before Donald Trump introduced his controversial immigration ban in the US.
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Vortex,
No referendum, but they all elected Governments that approved the Lisbon Treaty in Parluament.
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Are you doubting the majority of EU citizens want to be members?
No referendum, but they all elected Governments that approved the Lisbon Treaty in Parluament.
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Are you doubting the majority of EU citizens want to be members?
Ummmm, //The problem is people with genuine visas. The ones who are qualified in their field not being to get back in if they leave the US.//
There appears to be a lot of confusion/hysteria over this.
//The Foreign and Commonwealth office confirmed:
• The Presidential executive order only applies to individuals travelling from one of the seven named countries.
• If you are travelling to the US from anywhere other than one of those countries (for instance, the UK) the executive order does not apply to you and you will experience no extra checks regardless of your nationality or your place of birth.
• If you are a UK national who happens to be travelling from one of those countries to the US, then the order does not apply to you – even if you were born in one of those countries.
• If you are a dual citizen of one of those countries travelling to the US from OUTSIDE those countries then the order does not apply to you.
• The only dual nationals who might have extra checks are those coming from one of the seven countries themselves – for example a UK-Libya dual national coming from Libya to the US.//
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Jim, if it was a Muslim ban, would it not have been applied to more countries?
There appears to be a lot of confusion/hysteria over this.
//The Foreign and Commonwealth office confirmed:
• The Presidential executive order only applies to individuals travelling from one of the seven named countries.
• If you are travelling to the US from anywhere other than one of those countries (for instance, the UK) the executive order does not apply to you and you will experience no extra checks regardless of your nationality or your place of birth.
• If you are a UK national who happens to be travelling from one of those countries to the US, then the order does not apply to you – even if you were born in one of those countries.
• If you are a dual citizen of one of those countries travelling to the US from OUTSIDE those countries then the order does not apply to you.
• The only dual nationals who might have extra checks are those coming from one of the seven countries themselves – for example a UK-Libya dual national coming from Libya to the US.//
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Jim, if it was a Muslim ban, would it not have been applied to more countries?
The difficulty with this idea is over-simplification - if you stop Muslims coming in, you stop terrorists coming in.
This is obviously arrant nonsense, but it is a wonderful idea if you want to appeal to citizens who have no grasp of political and social complexities, and no grasp of the way world politics works.
Of course, head of that queue is President Trump, who loves to believe that long-standing vastly complex issues have simple knee-jerk solve-in-a-day solutions - and that is a large reason why he is no President - because that is what he offered the American people.
What President Trump and his electorate, and a large swathe of Europe it seems, fail to grasp is this - if this was the solution, why didn't any of the previous administrations sign up to it and have it im place by now?
Is it because they just never thought of it, and President Trump is a genius for figuring it out?
Or is it because this is not a feasible workable solution, so that's why no-one is doing it.
Simple solutions appeal - but because they are simple, the are not practical.
So it's time to take heads out of clouds, and start being realistic about the issues, and the ways to tackle them.
A great place to start would be in President Trump's mind, where simplicity is the default position.
This is obviously arrant nonsense, but it is a wonderful idea if you want to appeal to citizens who have no grasp of political and social complexities, and no grasp of the way world politics works.
Of course, head of that queue is President Trump, who loves to believe that long-standing vastly complex issues have simple knee-jerk solve-in-a-day solutions - and that is a large reason why he is no President - because that is what he offered the American people.
What President Trump and his electorate, and a large swathe of Europe it seems, fail to grasp is this - if this was the solution, why didn't any of the previous administrations sign up to it and have it im place by now?
Is it because they just never thought of it, and President Trump is a genius for figuring it out?
Or is it because this is not a feasible workable solution, so that's why no-one is doing it.
Simple solutions appeal - but because they are simple, the are not practical.
So it's time to take heads out of clouds, and start being realistic about the issues, and the ways to tackle them.
A great place to start would be in President Trump's mind, where simplicity is the default position.
Gromit/Vortex, according to Reuters, most Europeans, especially the French, are unhappy with the EU - and that was before our referendum so that can't have influenced them.
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Naomi -- that question was raised in the Appeal yesterday, one judge wondering if a ban that applied to something like 15% of the global Muslim population could be called a "Muslim ban".
It might just be a case of mission creep. After all, Trump, whom you have praised for doing what he says, rather pointedly announced during his campaign for the Republican nomination that he was calling for "a total and complete shutdown of all Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." Apparently the background to this Executive Order was to find a way of, at least partially, implementing that in a way that was legal. In which case it may have failed -- inevitably, the US Supreme Court will test this at some point later in the year -- but, also, I'd be surprised if this was the last Executive Order targeting immigration from majority Muslim countries that Trump signs.
I don't see how you can have it both ways. Trump doing what he says,a characteristic you've praised, amounts to targeting Muslims specifically. Trying to welsh out of that won't wash. While the language of this EO avoids mentioning Islam, making it difficult to call this legally a Muslim Ban, common sense and context tell us otherwise.
It might just be a case of mission creep. After all, Trump, whom you have praised for doing what he says, rather pointedly announced during his campaign for the Republican nomination that he was calling for "a total and complete shutdown of all Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." Apparently the background to this Executive Order was to find a way of, at least partially, implementing that in a way that was legal. In which case it may have failed -- inevitably, the US Supreme Court will test this at some point later in the year -- but, also, I'd be surprised if this was the last Executive Order targeting immigration from majority Muslim countries that Trump signs.
I don't see how you can have it both ways. Trump doing what he says,a characteristic you've praised, amounts to targeting Muslims specifically. Trying to welsh out of that won't wash. While the language of this EO avoids mentioning Islam, making it difficult to call this legally a Muslim Ban, common sense and context tell us otherwise.
AOG - //Most of us elect our preferred governments, but that does not necessarily mean that we approve of all their decisions. //
I would be surprised if anyone in America who has an inkling about what is going on in the world, approves of any of The President's decisions thus far.Ttwo weeks gone, three-and-a-lot years to go!
I would be surprised if anyone in America who has an inkling about what is going on in the world, approves of any of The President's decisions thus far.Ttwo weeks gone, three-and-a-lot years to go!
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