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In Or Out? (Of the EU)
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With renewed talk about an in/out EU referendum, how would you vote, given the simple choice of:
- Get Out Of The EU - 104 votes
- 62%
- Stay In The EU - 63 votes
- 38%
Stats until: 03:17 Fri 26th Apr 2024 (Refreshed every 5 minutes)
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“These motor plants wont survive here if we leave EU. They will move to Europe, taking jobs with them.”
What on earth makes you say that, tambo? Do you reckon that Aston Martin or Morgan will up sticks if we leave the EU? To take another example, Honda operates 29 plants worldwide. Of these only three are in the EU (Swindon and two in in Belgium – neither of which manufacture cars or bikes but are merely storage plants). It has considerable manufacturing capability in Turkey with much of the production being sent to the EU.
You can find information about all the major manufacturers if you look. Many of them choose the UK because of its favourable tax regime and flexible workforce. These advantages are evident to their managements (despite our membership of the EU, not because of it) and they will become greater should the UK become unshackled from the EU’s red tape.
These are the sort of facts that need to be explained to the electorate. Blandly saying “These motor plants wont survive here if we leave EU “ is not really sufficient.
What on earth makes you say that, tambo? Do you reckon that Aston Martin or Morgan will up sticks if we leave the EU? To take another example, Honda operates 29 plants worldwide. Of these only three are in the EU (Swindon and two in in Belgium – neither of which manufacture cars or bikes but are merely storage plants). It has considerable manufacturing capability in Turkey with much of the production being sent to the EU.
You can find information about all the major manufacturers if you look. Many of them choose the UK because of its favourable tax regime and flexible workforce. These advantages are evident to their managements (despite our membership of the EU, not because of it) and they will become greater should the UK become unshackled from the EU’s red tape.
These are the sort of facts that need to be explained to the electorate. Blandly saying “These motor plants wont survive here if we leave EU “ is not really sufficient.
NJ. // Honda operates 29 plants worldwide. Of these only three are in the EU (Swindon and two in in Belgium – neither of which manufacture cars or bikes but are merely storage plants).//
I agree with most of what you say but you are definitely wrong, at least about Swindon. I have been on a guided tour and they manufacture cars from start to finish, even pressing body panels there, and subcontracting some items such as soft interior head linings etc.
I agree with most of what you say but you are definitely wrong, at least about Swindon. I have been on a guided tour and they manufacture cars from start to finish, even pressing body panels there, and subcontracting some items such as soft interior head linings etc.
I found this interesting.
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Not in the timescales which will see the EU remain as it is, Zacs. The EU will break up (as all artificial enforced political blocs eventually do) but not before it has wreaked untold harm on the continent and its inhabitants.
The article is quite correct - there is nothing in EU membership for the vast majority of the UK's companies. (In fact there's not a great deal in it for any of them). However, the European Single Market is an entirely different thing and that does not depend on "ever closer political union".
The article is quite correct - there is nothing in EU membership for the vast majority of the UK's companies. (In fact there's not a great deal in it for any of them). However, the European Single Market is an entirely different thing and that does not depend on "ever closer political union".
When the, usually left-wing, pro-EU Abers used to point to the CBI's support for the EU and doom-laden results of a Brexit, I used to say a) What strange bedfellows. b) of course they like the EU, they want cheap labour.
Since then it's come to light that the CBI's largest stream of income, c.£200,000 pa, is the very same EU whose virtues they've been extolling.
Kept it very quiet, didn't they. Just like the BBC. What a racket, these modern day mafiosos extract £billions from us but, quietly, invest a few £million of our own money with certain prominent voices, let's call them bribees, to give them good PR.
In the run up to the referendum you'll hear plenty of the great and the good singing the praises of the EU. Before you let them influence your vote, ask, are they singing for their supper. Follow the money before the vote. It'll be too late finding out after the vote.
Since then it's come to light that the CBI's largest stream of income, c.£200,000 pa, is the very same EU whose virtues they've been extolling.
Kept it very quiet, didn't they. Just like the BBC. What a racket, these modern day mafiosos extract £billions from us but, quietly, invest a few £million of our own money with certain prominent voices, let's call them bribees, to give them good PR.
In the run up to the referendum you'll hear plenty of the great and the good singing the praises of the EU. Before you let them influence your vote, ask, are they singing for their supper. Follow the money before the vote. It'll be too late finding out after the vote.
This could all be academic, couldn't it. With the Greeks about to default on their loans tomorrow.
The Chairman of Carphone Warehouse(I think) was on the radio yesterday saying how well they were doing in Greece. Partly, he said, because the Greek government had given free computers and smart phones to all the 'disadvantaged' people there and we did very well out of it. It struck me as unfair that countries like the UK who voted for austerity will, inevitably, have to keep baling out countries who voted for anti-austerity governments. The only way the EU could survive in the long run would be political union. (which, I believe, is the long term aim)
The Chairman of Carphone Warehouse(I think) was on the radio yesterday saying how well they were doing in Greece. Partly, he said, because the Greek government had given free computers and smart phones to all the 'disadvantaged' people there and we did very well out of it. It struck me as unfair that countries like the UK who voted for austerity will, inevitably, have to keep baling out countries who voted for anti-austerity governments. The only way the EU could survive in the long run would be political union. (which, I believe, is the long term aim)
Of course it is, svejk.
Then all resources will be pooled. Countries with any dosh (cue all those who say the UK is in debt up to its eyebrows so cannot be among those who have dosh) will be forever transferring money to those who have not. And if readers think that Greece is the worst that can happen in the EU, just wait until the likes of Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia join up. (Not to mention Turkey and an independent Scotland). You ain't seen nothin' yet!
Then all resources will be pooled. Countries with any dosh (cue all those who say the UK is in debt up to its eyebrows so cannot be among those who have dosh) will be forever transferring money to those who have not. And if readers think that Greece is the worst that can happen in the EU, just wait until the likes of Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia join up. (Not to mention Turkey and an independent Scotland). You ain't seen nothin' yet!
It seems a popular myth to say that 'foreigners' are doing jobs that people from this country won't dirty their hands with...
I am a manager of a Lettings agency and we reference all potential tenants. I can tell you (as I read the application forms) that these foreigners are working in exactly the same jobs that we all have access to. They're not doing the dirty work ... They are chefs, receptionists, customer advisors, health workers etc etc.
Please don't be under the illusion that they are all mushroom picking at 5am because it's just not true.
I am a manager of a Lettings agency and we reference all potential tenants. I can tell you (as I read the application forms) that these foreigners are working in exactly the same jobs that we all have access to. They're not doing the dirty work ... They are chefs, receptionists, customer advisors, health workers etc etc.
Please don't be under the illusion that they are all mushroom picking at 5am because it's just not true.
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