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Even Our 'tone' Admits That There Is A Problem.

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anotheoldgit | 14:48 Sat 15th Jun 2013 | News
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/404567/Tony-Blair-Let-s-be-honest-about-Islam-problem

/// He argued that hostility to democracy and Western values among some sections of the Muslim community was “deeper and wider than it is comfortable to admit”. ///
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Is that a surprise ? Don't think he associates western military activity in Afghanistan and Iraq with the problem.It is arguable that it isn't, but that may not be a strong argument. The action would provide further evidence of the supposed western hostility towards Islam.
He said, " There is not a problem with Islam. For those of us who have studied it, there is no doubt about its true and peaceful nature. There is not a problem with Muslims in general. Most in Britain will be horrified at Lee Rigby’s murder.

But there is a problem within Islam - from the adherents of an ideology which is a strain within Islam. And we have to put it on the table and be honest about it. Of course there are Christian extremists and Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu ones. But I am afraid this strain is not the province of a few extremists. It has at its heart a view about religion and about the interaction between religion and politics that is not compatible with pluralistic, liberal, open minded societies. At the extreme end of the spectrum are terrorists, but the world view goes deeper and wider than it is comfortable for us to admit. So by and large we don’t admit it."
Since Tony and his cronies taught me to stop voting Labour, I never thought I would agree with him again - but in this I do.
Tone is right.
I am repeating this item which I first posted to History because I feel the situation is now such that the topic deserves a wider audience. WR.

If one man was not afraid to say what he knows was right...Why can't we do the same now...???





Winston Churchill 1899.
"Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world."
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This is amazing. Even more amazing is that this hasn't been published long before now.

CHURCHILL ON ISLAM

Unbelievable, but the speech below was written in 1899... (check Wikipedia - The River War).

The attached short speech from Winston Churchill, was delivered by him in 1899 when he was a young soldier and journalist. It probably sets out the current views of many, but expresses in the wonderful Churchillian turn of phrase and use of the English language, of which he was a past master. Sir Winston Churchill was, without doubt, one of the greatest men of the late 19th and 20th centuries.

He was a brave young soldier, a brilliant journalist, an extraordinary politician and statesman, a great war leader and British Prime Minister, to whom the Western world must be forever in his debt. He was a prophet in his own time. He died on 24th January 1965, at the grand old age of 90 and, after a lifetime of service to his country, was accorded a State funeral.


HERE IS THE SPEECH:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome ..."

Sir Winston Churchill; (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol II, pages 248-250 London).

Churchill saw it coming......( This is NOT a race or religious rant, it is the simple truth )
Wonder what he would say now wiskeryron - how right he was.
Good find Ron.

//It has already spread throughout Central Africa, //

Fortunately in Africa it is now very rapidly declining.
Hardly a "find" Naomi, it's an e-mail that's been around for a few year now.
TCL, really? I wasn't aware of that.
I've had a look and there are hits going back to Feb 2008 on Google.
so that doesn't bode well for us then does it. Welcome to Britain, or will that be a name change one day.
WR, as a follower, fan if you like of Winston Churchill i have read a fair bit of his work, and have seen that quoted elsewhere, as you say not a new thing by far.
I think Blair will say anything to keep himself in the papers ,he has no morals and has change his view point on many things more times than the vicar of Bray.
Nannybooby, he's right this time, though.

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