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Norway Warns Uk Against Eu Exit
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Norway's Foreign minister has cautioned the UK against leaving the EU.
Norway is not a member and is used as a model by Euro-skeptics of how the UK could continue after leaving the EU.
"We are not at the table when decisions are made" he said
Is this a prophetic warning of how the UK could lose it's voice and influence in the world's largest economy?
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Norway is not a member and is used as a model by Euro-skeptics of how the UK could continue after leaving the EU.
"We are not at the table when decisions are made" he said
Is this a prophetic warning of how the UK could lose it's voice and influence in the world's largest economy?
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New Judge, I always admire your responses for the knowledge and erudition you impart but on this occasion I think you've had a 'point' too many :-). When Scotland becomes independent, she, and she alone, will decide how we will proceed with reference to no-one. As to the currency, we will call it the 'Bawbee' if we choose and then change it to something else when we feel like it, it's a great thing, this independence :-).
I have no idea what the legal position on this is, but I don't quite understand why it is that only Scotland will have to apply to join the EU, if independence is chosen.
It seems to me logical that, if Scotland leaves the UK, then England - given that it is not currently a member in its own right but only as another part of the UK- should need to apply, too.
UK means 'United Kingdom' on the basis that James VI/I joined Scotland and England under one monarch in 1603. If half of the 'unit' leaves, the UK has ceased to exist, as such, to my mind.
Are you around, Fred?
It seems to me logical that, if Scotland leaves the UK, then England - given that it is not currently a member in its own right but only as another part of the UK- should need to apply, too.
UK means 'United Kingdom' on the basis that James VI/I joined Scotland and England under one monarch in 1603. If half of the 'unit' leaves, the UK has ceased to exist, as such, to my mind.
Are you around, Fred?
(Going way back) the EEC referendum was in 1975 as a matter of fact.
NJ, in what respect do you think Croatia, for example, is not a beacon of peace, human rights and free trade? Just curious. I mean, I doubt it is a "beacon" but it isn't Bulgaria.
On the matter of the Scottish referendum for what it's worth if someone told be now that the result in 2014 would be a "Yes" to independence I'd be very surprised.
NJ, in what respect do you think Croatia, for example, is not a beacon of peace, human rights and free trade? Just curious. I mean, I doubt it is a "beacon" but it isn't Bulgaria.
On the matter of the Scottish referendum for what it's worth if someone told be now that the result in 2014 would be a "Yes" to independence I'd be very surprised.
New Judge //No they [Norwegians]cannot automatically reside there[EU]. But why would they want to?//
Climate, food and drink, health care; reciprocal arrangements for oldies, allowing pensioners get a much better deal within some EU countries than they could ever get in the U.K.'s national health service.
Climate, food and drink, health care; reciprocal arrangements for oldies, allowing pensioners get a much better deal within some EU countries than they could ever get in the U.K.'s national health service.
...and lest anyone forget, Mr Eide's key point was that the UK will be better able to influence Europe if it is a part of the EU, not outside. One of the awfully boring arguments in favour of us being in the EU but a powerful one nonetheless.
What will probably save us will be UKIP, ironically, and their bonkers decision to stand in every seat in the UK at the next election. Which will make them look even more like the one-issue nutters that many of them are. Harsh and unfair perhaps,. but true :-)
What will probably save us will be UKIP, ironically, and their bonkers decision to stand in every seat in the UK at the next election. Which will make them look even more like the one-issue nutters that many of them are. Harsh and unfair perhaps,. but true :-)
"When Scotland becomes independent, she, and she alone, will decide how we will proceed with reference to no-one."
I never said anything to the contrary here, Wharton (though I have argued before that, strictly speaking, Scotland has no more right to demand independence on a bilateral basis than has Liverpool or Dorset. But that's another story).
As far as the currency goes, should Scotland join the EU they will have no choice but to adopt the Euro. It will be part of their membership conditions as it is with all new member states. After an agreed period following their joining they will not be able to use any other currency and they will not be able to call it anything else. In many respects they will be no more independent than they are now and in many others they will be a lot less so.
Khandro, the question is would Norwegians want to live in an EU country (which they cannot automatically do). They may well be better off in another EU country than in the UK. But would they be better off than in Norway? I doubt it.
"Mr Eide's key point was that the UK will be better able to influence Europe if it is a part of the EU, not outside."
Well, I may be better able to influence the Ku Klux Klan if I were a member than if I was not. It's not a very convincing argument until you answer the first question: "Why would I want to belong to such an organisation?"
I never said anything to the contrary here, Wharton (though I have argued before that, strictly speaking, Scotland has no more right to demand independence on a bilateral basis than has Liverpool or Dorset. But that's another story).
As far as the currency goes, should Scotland join the EU they will have no choice but to adopt the Euro. It will be part of their membership conditions as it is with all new member states. After an agreed period following their joining they will not be able to use any other currency and they will not be able to call it anything else. In many respects they will be no more independent than they are now and in many others they will be a lot less so.
Khandro, the question is would Norwegians want to live in an EU country (which they cannot automatically do). They may well be better off in another EU country than in the UK. But would they be better off than in Norway? I doubt it.
"Mr Eide's key point was that the UK will be better able to influence Europe if it is a part of the EU, not outside."
Well, I may be better able to influence the Ku Klux Klan if I were a member than if I was not. It's not a very convincing argument until you answer the first question: "Why would I want to belong to such an organisation?"
We are major net importers from the EU. They aren't going to cut the trading ties in a hurry.
The EU is not what it was when we had the referendum - it was a trading arrangement which followed on from the European Coal & Steel community.
Nobody said it would end up producing most of our laws, and taking precedence over the UK government in an expanding number of areas.
The likely future of the EU lies further East, with the little countries huddling under the German wing against the spectre of another Hitler or Stalin.
We don't need that, do we?
I recall a line from a song "one man kills you with a six gun, one with a fountain pen"
Adolf & Joe tried the first, the unelected and corrupt Eurocrats are doing quite nicely with the second ....
The EU is not what it was when we had the referendum - it was a trading arrangement which followed on from the European Coal & Steel community.
Nobody said it would end up producing most of our laws, and taking precedence over the UK government in an expanding number of areas.
The likely future of the EU lies further East, with the little countries huddling under the German wing against the spectre of another Hitler or Stalin.
We don't need that, do we?
I recall a line from a song "one man kills you with a six gun, one with a fountain pen"
Adolf & Joe tried the first, the unelected and corrupt Eurocrats are doing quite nicely with the second ....
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