University of East Anglia Climate Change Group Cleared of data manipulation

[jake-the-peg]

So the inquiry has said that Research group hanot manipulated data and that it's reputation is intact.

They've criticized it for not responding enough to freedom of information requests (although the newspapers seem to have missed the fact that the 3 man team were getting at one point more than one a week and couldn't cope with them) but none of this in any way undermines the basic work that they've done.

http://news.bbc.co.uk.../sci/tech/8595483.stm

Will all the skeptics accept this investigation or will they act as normal conspiracy theorists and call anything which challenges their prejudices a cover up.

Perhaps now there can be an investigation into this

http://www.telegraph....e-change-deniers.html

Maybe then we can catch the criminals responsible for the hacking

[birdie1971]

Apologies everyone – I'm sometime a little too eager to post replies and make some horrible grammatical mistakes – I need a proof reader!

[R1Geezer]

birdie, you realise that jake and co are walking through the streets with flaming torches now don't you! Heresy!

[rov1200]

What surprises me is how they were able to get such accurate measurements a 1000 years ago. We were not even able to get a decent time until Harrison did his work on the clock mechanism only 200 years ago.

[Zeuhl]

Climate can be measured back using tree ring analysis - as some trees are preserved as cut timber or in acidic bogs, the trail of overlapping tree ring patterns stretches back many thousands of years.

[birdie1971]

Tree ring data isn't particularly accurate but more importantly, we can only use it to reconstruct temperatures of (at maximum) a few thousand years. This is not even remotely long enough to establish a climatic pattern.

Anyone who tells you that they know that temperature is rising because it appears that there has been an increase in the last few thousand years should be treated with scepticism. Climate is like geology; you need to look at data stretching back many, many millennia to even begin to get an accurate picture.

The GW/CC advocates repeatedly stress the significance of temperature rises in the last 2000 years. Some even place significance on minute increases in temperature since the 1940s. These are the same people who, when it's pointed out to them that there has been no temperature increase in the last 15 years, claim that 15 years is too small a period of time to be of any significance! Take about having your cake and eating it!

[birdie1971]

Continued....

The fact is that we live in a warm period known as the Holocene where temperatures rise and fall naturally but don't go to extremes. These warm periods appear to be cyclical – the last one being before the last ice age which ended about 115,000 years ago. They seem to last for anywhere up to 50,000 years. That may seem like quite a long time but for vast majority of the time, the Earth is gripped by an Ice Age. So we should consider ourselves quite lucky to live in the period we do.

http://en.wikipedia.o...e_Age_Temperature.png

As I'm sure you'll notice from the above graph, the last interglacial maximum temperature was about 5 degrees warmer than what we have today – with clearly no adverse effects on the Polar Bears – seeing as they still exist as a species despite living through a significantly warmer period than exists today that lasted for several thousand years.


The next time you see or hear someone claiming that such and such a species is about to become extinct because of GW/CC ask yourself this:

If species take millions of years to evolve and yet can be killed by a cold climate, how come those same species are still around today, having obviously survived several Ice Ages and warmer-than-today Interglacials?

[birdie1971]

R1Geezer - “... you realise that jake and co are walking through the streets with flaming torches now don't you! Heresy!”

I know you're joking but heresy is a very good way to describe how people sceptical of GW are perceived by those who 'believe'. The whole debate carries the unpleasant whiff of religious fervour.

There were moves afoot recently in Europe to try and make it a criminal offence to question whether man-made global warming was real or not. Certain environmentalist groups were lobbying the EU parliament in an attempt to stifle opposition to the GW theory by likening it to Holocaust denial. They claimed that anyone questioning whether man-made GW is a reality was committing prospective genocide.

These people, who are fascists in all but name, do not want to debate the facts. They want to suppress all opposing views at any cost. And with good reason – their 'facts' do not stand up to scrutiny. That's why you hear the phrase, “The debate is over” time and time again. They don't want an open debate because they know they will lose as the facts are not on their side.

[birdie1971]

I see that jake-the-peg has been conspicuous by this absence on this thread. After posing the original question he's gone very quiet.

Come on Jake! Hasn't there been an island in the Bay of Bengal that has recently been submerged by ever increasing sea levels due to man-made Global Warming? That how the BBC reported it just a few days ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk...outh_asia/8584665.stm


Proof of man-made Global Warming surely!