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Is he or isn't he
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/738298 6.stm
I personally don't think he mad.
I think it's an attempt by him to avoid what he knows will be a prison sentence from hell.
He knows whats waiting for him. He knows other prisoners will make his life hell and quit rightly.
He is no crazier that you or me. Just down right manipulative, cunning and evil. He is a man who entire family appear to have been terrified of. A tyrannt even Hitler would have been proud of.
I have seen footage of him on vacation and to be honest he doesn't give the air of a mad man. If he had been he would never I don't think have entertained the idea of a holiday. In an unstable state he would have feared they would have been discovered.
He has the look but as they say its only skin deep. undernethe lays a nasty, horrid piece of work.
I personally don't think he mad.
I think it's an attempt by him to avoid what he knows will be a prison sentence from hell.
He knows whats waiting for him. He knows other prisoners will make his life hell and quit rightly.
He is no crazier that you or me. Just down right manipulative, cunning and evil. He is a man who entire family appear to have been terrified of. A tyrannt even Hitler would have been proud of.
I have seen footage of him on vacation and to be honest he doesn't give the air of a mad man. If he had been he would never I don't think have entertained the idea of a holiday. In an unstable state he would have feared they would have been discovered.
He has the look but as they say its only skin deep. undernethe lays a nasty, horrid piece of work.
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Evil to the core -not mad -he knew precisely what he was doing for his own selfish gratification.Ace manipulator -he's even attempting to dupe his lawyers now -like Sheila BTW -who would want to attempt to defend this heinous man.
Very well put tiger -really cant add much more at all to what you posted -you really said it all.
Very well put tiger -really cant add much more at all to what you posted -you really said it all.
How on earth he got away with this for so long is beyond me, pure evil, he was going on holidays to Thailand, well well well, lots of dirty old gits go out there on there own. I don't understand how nobody had any idea something was not right in the house, what did his wife think he was doing keep missing for ages, and how did all the buliding work, plumbing, electrics, etc get done without anybody knowing, odder and odder as it unfolds, but he really is evil in my opinion.
I suppose it depends on what you call 'mad' or more properly 'mentally ill'.
If you describe those people who gibber and put pencils up their nose, then no, he is not mad.
If you think he has a psychological problem that is not 'normal' behaviour, then obviously he is insane.
Bear in mind, that if he is found insane, then he will be placed in a secure unit indefinitely - this is potentially longer than a 'life sentence'.
If you describe those people who gibber and put pencils up their nose, then no, he is not mad.
If you think he has a psychological problem that is not 'normal' behaviour, then obviously he is insane.
Bear in mind, that if he is found insane, then he will be placed in a secure unit indefinitely - this is potentially longer than a 'life sentence'.
At 73 he really has got a lot of it left.
I stil think the kind of people that do this are not insane and shouldn't be classed as so.
There has to be some sort of line that neds to be drawn otherwise it means that in some sense no justice has been served and just about any one no matter what they do can say "I was mad at the time so I shouldn't go to prison."
Mind you the knowledge that you know the rest of the world is after your guts might just have sent him over the edge. Its not a prospect I would ever want to live with.
I stil think the kind of people that do this are not insane and shouldn't be classed as so.
There has to be some sort of line that neds to be drawn otherwise it means that in some sense no justice has been served and just about any one no matter what they do can say "I was mad at the time so I shouldn't go to prison."
Mind you the knowledge that you know the rest of the world is after your guts might just have sent him over the edge. Its not a prospect I would ever want to live with.
Vic - what are you saying, that everyone who does wicked things must be insane? Don't you think it's possible that perhaps there are some people who are just amoral and depraved and enjoy doing cruel and selfish things for their own gratification? or is that too unpalatable a thought. Is it perhaps more comforting to think that everyone's lovely unless they've got a screw loose.
I suffer from psychiatric problems and have spent time in a psychiatric hospital - does this mean that I can commit a crime with no fear of being sent to jail?
Crap.
I spent 24 years as a civil servant (whilst ill - scary thought), own my own property and do voluntary work. I have never been in trouble with the police and I am boringly good.
This guy was just plain evil - he feels sorry for himself. He is a psychopath and no punishment will ever be enough. He doesn't seem to think that he has done anything wrong.
Crap.
I spent 24 years as a civil servant (whilst ill - scary thought), own my own property and do voluntary work. I have never been in trouble with the police and I am boringly good.
This guy was just plain evil - he feels sorry for himself. He is a psychopath and no punishment will ever be enough. He doesn't seem to think that he has done anything wrong.
But a psychopath or a sociopath isn't exactly of sound mind either... I'm not saying he isn't a terrible person but that to be evil to me indicates that this person doesn't think along the same lines of any of us.
As to the lawyer thing... Well everyone is entitled to representation over here (as is my understanding) so perhaps it's like our system where the lawyer is assigned to you? I really don't know enough about it. I can't imagine anyone welcoming them on their client list but this world has all sorts in it.
As to the lawyer thing... Well everyone is entitled to representation over here (as is my understanding) so perhaps it's like our system where the lawyer is assigned to you? I really don't know enough about it. I can't imagine anyone welcoming them on their client list but this world has all sorts in it.
The whole thing that seperates justice from a lynch mob is that justice assumes innocence and demands proper proof where people are defended by competent lawyers working to the best of their ability.
It doesn't matter if someone is accused of genocide or a parking ticket.
If you could not get a competent lawyer you could not have a trial.
What would you do? drag someone up read out the police case and sentence them without a jury?
I think we used to do things like that 400 years ago in witch trials!
So it's really important that there are lawyers prepared to defend people of the most heinous charges, it's crucial to our whole notion of justice
It doesn't matter if someone is accused of genocide or a parking ticket.
If you could not get a competent lawyer you could not have a trial.
What would you do? drag someone up read out the police case and sentence them without a jury?
I think we used to do things like that 400 years ago in witch trials!
So it's really important that there are lawyers prepared to defend people of the most heinous charges, it's crucial to our whole notion of justice
I understand Lawyers do what they must. It would be not only in the clients best interests but their own as well. After all how does that look on your cards as a lawyer if you can work that for something like this. People think well he must be a good lawyer.
The Oxford english dictionary defines insane as not of sound mind, mentally deranged, Extremely foolish and irrational.
For all the things he is alledge to have done (he hasn't been to trial yet. Sorry to get all HIGNFY), none of the above discibes him.
According to the stories he had planned this for some years before. He built an entire undergraound house for the purpose, he then was so sure of himself he even went away on vaction leaving them to it.
Rational, calculated and decisive spring to mind rather than any of the above definitions of insanity.
It is hard to believe that some people in this world do indeed get fun out of this sort of thing but it is true.
Not everyone who is insane is capable of these things.
Is Robert Mugabi insane. No I don't think so otherwise he would not be in the position of power he is now, but look at what he has done. The same could be said for any one like him.
As for any sentence, it is hardly likely he will live to get out alive. He's 73 now so even if he got the 15 years he would be 88 when he is free. If he gets 10 then thats 83. He is to put it bluntly scr*wed.
It would seem we are not the only country with an odd sense of what a life sentence means.
The Oxford english dictionary defines insane as not of sound mind, mentally deranged, Extremely foolish and irrational.
For all the things he is alledge to have done (he hasn't been to trial yet. Sorry to get all HIGNFY), none of the above discibes him.
According to the stories he had planned this for some years before. He built an entire undergraound house for the purpose, he then was so sure of himself he even went away on vaction leaving them to it.
Rational, calculated and decisive spring to mind rather than any of the above definitions of insanity.
It is hard to believe that some people in this world do indeed get fun out of this sort of thing but it is true.
Not everyone who is insane is capable of these things.
Is Robert Mugabi insane. No I don't think so otherwise he would not be in the position of power he is now, but look at what he has done. The same could be said for any one like him.
As for any sentence, it is hardly likely he will live to get out alive. He's 73 now so even if he got the 15 years he would be 88 when he is free. If he gets 10 then thats 83. He is to put it bluntly scr*wed.
It would seem we are not the only country with an odd sense of what a life sentence means.
The term 'insane' is itself inaccurate and open to wide and varied interpretation. Typically, the image of an insane person is that of one whose grip on reality is chronically loosened or severed; incapable of coherent thought or speech; unable to make logical, rational decisions; the old-fashioned image of the 'village idiot' is the prevalent one. No jury would have trouble finding a plea of insanity unreasonable when faced with someone who looked like that. But consider these three different types:
1. One who is of above average intelligence, who is charming and socially skilled; disarming, amoral, manipulative, insensitive to the feelings of others, unable to tolerate frustration, callous, unable to settle or make commitment.
2. One who is jumpy, irritable, finds it difficult to concentrate or make decisions; has trouble sleeping, has a poor appetite, and suffers from vague feelings of panic or nausea that leaves them exhausted.
3. One who has decreased sexual desire, loss of appetite, a slowing of the mental processes, a general feeling of hopelessness and despair, worthlessness and unattractiveness, delusions of physical decay and an expectation of punishment.
The first is a typical sociopath or borderline psychopath, the second suffers from an anxiety neurosis, and the third a depressive disorder. None of these, put before a jury, would conform to the 'insane' image portrayed earlier. Yet all these three types are categorised as mental disorders by the two leading psychiatric diagnostic manuals, DSM-III-R (Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (Third Revision (1987))) and ICD10 (International Classification of Diseases).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A304228
1. One who is of above average intelligence, who is charming and socially skilled; disarming, amoral, manipulative, insensitive to the feelings of others, unable to tolerate frustration, callous, unable to settle or make commitment.
2. One who is jumpy, irritable, finds it difficult to concentrate or make decisions; has trouble sleeping, has a poor appetite, and suffers from vague feelings of panic or nausea that leaves them exhausted.
3. One who has decreased sexual desire, loss of appetite, a slowing of the mental processes, a general feeling of hopelessness and despair, worthlessness and unattractiveness, delusions of physical decay and an expectation of punishment.
The first is a typical sociopath or borderline psychopath, the second suffers from an anxiety neurosis, and the third a depressive disorder. None of these, put before a jury, would conform to the 'insane' image portrayed earlier. Yet all these three types are categorised as mental disorders by the two leading psychiatric diagnostic manuals, DSM-III-R (Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (Third Revision (1987))) and ICD10 (International Classification of Diseases).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A304228
As stated there are several different ways to put it. I was just useing the only one I could fins at the time. It was also the simplist one. But still a vieable one.
I still don't think he fits it.
Only the first one you have put int fits this man and to be honest discribes him apart from the last section concerning commitment which is not so in his case at all.
But then no one would discribe that as being insane.
It still leaves my question is he or isn't he and all the definition in the world would not change my mind in my opinion that he is not. Just a desperate old man trying to get the best deal possible for himself.
It will not change yours either and fair enough.
But take into consideration all those people who genuinely
have suffered from mental illness and then having to be put on the same level as this man.
I for one have been on the recieveing end of a man like him although not to that degree, but having experianced it I can say it is not insanity, it is plainly and simply evil.
I still don't think he fits it.
Only the first one you have put int fits this man and to be honest discribes him apart from the last section concerning commitment which is not so in his case at all.
But then no one would discribe that as being insane.
It still leaves my question is he or isn't he and all the definition in the world would not change my mind in my opinion that he is not. Just a desperate old man trying to get the best deal possible for himself.
It will not change yours either and fair enough.
But take into consideration all those people who genuinely
have suffered from mental illness and then having to be put on the same level as this man.
I for one have been on the recieveing end of a man like him although not to that degree, but having experianced it I can say it is not insanity, it is plainly and simply evil.
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