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Is "Sweating Blood" Enough For Rodders?

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ToraToraTora | 09:50 Fri 16th Jul 2021 | News
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57848266
I think he has to expel the loonies first to have any sort of path to credibility. The 4th Labour leader to win an election may still be in school!
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I dont envy him his job, he really is on a hiding to nothing.

I suspect he knows he needs to remove the extreme left who have infiltrated the Party, however he himself doesnt appear to be relating to the voters. He is yet another Islington politician who seems to be living in the Metropolitan bubble with no clue on how a traditional white labour voter thinks. Concentrating on minorities is all well and good, but they are by definition minorities - and even they dont all think along the same lines.

Much as I dislike them Blair and Campbell knew how to get votes, until labour move to the middle ground they wont make any headway. His problem is, with Johnson at the helm the Tories are a centre left Party -exactly where he needs to position himself. However having said that with all the sleaze and Johnsons tendency to lie coupled with unaffordable (to the common man) Green polices I think there is room for him.

But will the Union paymasters (his other rock) allow him to?
"The 4th Labour leader to win an election" Can you not change the record?
foo-yeah !
The Labour party has lost it's connection with people.
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yes 10cs, it's full of ideologically pure types who still think socialism can work. They seem happy to remain that way and not in power. Which is fine by me!
Until the party disposes of the dross that's poisoning it, whatever he sweats will be to no avail. They don't seem to have noticed that their brand of socialism simply isn't wanted - and for good reason. It can't work.
//"The 4th Labour leader to win an election" Can you not change the record?//

I am not sure I understand your post. Are you saying it is incorrect?

Also dont you want your party to be electable?
learn something every day, i now know that Starmer's middle name is Rodney . . .
Yes, it was Sir Kiers father name.
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YMB 10:47, there are some that still think Tony Blair was Labour.
Labour are in the wilderness, for forty years, who knows?
Look in any reputable website and you will see five different Labour leaders have won UK General Elections but TORATORATORA insists Tony Blair was not a, "real Labour" leader.

Unfortunately for TORATORATORA , there's not wee asterisks by the elections Blair won and a note at the bottom saying, "*some do not consider his party to be, "real Labour".

He is hoping that if he makes his false claim enough times, it will be accepted as fact and not questioned.
So the only thing you have to comment on is whether or not His tonyness was really 'labour', a question many ask and not TTT.

However I see you ignore the meat of the OP, do you have any opinion on that or do you like your labour party as it is?
As far as Labour’s politics go, Blair’s brand left something to be desired but he won three elections on a Labour ticket so it’s silly to say he wasn’t Labour.
He went under the Labour banner Naomi but many of his policies could be considered centre right. Indeed looking at the wealth he has acquired he is clearly a capitalist and not a socialist.

Of course the same can be said of other Governments, take the current 'Tory' one, more like a liberal green one than tory
Who's to say the "loonies" aren't Tory infiltrators. It does happen.
The 'loonies' are mainly Momentum members. I doubt any Tory could fit in there.
Don't get me wrong folks. I'm Labour, as TTT knows, but in my humble opinion, the party has lost it's focus. The days of mass support from the working class and the unions have disappeared. The main support always came from the industrial base. That has gone and Labour doesn't know how, or where, to get it back.
"The main support always came from the industrial base".

Thatcher dealt with that irksome problem, 10ClarionSt.

Ironically, in his maiden speech in the House of Commons on 6 July 1983, Blair stated, "I am a socialist not through reading a textbook that has caught my intellectual fancy, nor through unthinking tradition, but because I believe that, at its best, socialism corresponds most closely to an existence that is both rational and moral. It stands for cooperation, not confrontation; for fellowship, not fear. It stands for equality."

But that was corrected in 1995 just after was elected Labour Party leader, when he became a 'democratic socialist'.

On the back of the Labour Party membership card it states that the Labour Party is a Democratic Socialist party.

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