Andrew Neil Speaks Out Over Latest Attack

[Zacs-Master]

Anyone disagree with him?

[Baldric]

Would that be 'watched it live' Anne?

[anneasquith]

You just can't help yourself can you dalbric.

[Baldric]

Very controlled Anne, and not stupid!

[EDDIE51]

I agree completely. The only point I would argue with is calling the perpetrator of this terrible attack a 'Jihadist' . It is pretty obvious now that this was just a homicidal maniac out to murder people. He had spoken of his wish to cause death, but because he was mentally ill. Nothing to do with Islam or terrorism he just wanted to kill people.
If this had been in the USA he would have got a rifle and a few hundred rounds of ammunition and started another shooting massacre , but this being the UK he used a car.

[Khandro]

Eddie; //Nothing to do with Islam or terrorism he just wanted to kill people.//

Ahhh! now I understand.

[EDDIE51]

Khandro, He was just a murderer as were people in the USA who kill people in random shootings. Terrible tragedy which should have been prevented ( he had been refused mental treatment) but NOT an act of 'Terrorism' in the sense that 9/11 or the Paris attacks were!
You can of course argue that driving your car into a group of innocent tourists is 'terrorism' and you would be correct. But this act was not politically or religiously motivated , it was just cold blooded murder by a man with a long term criminal record and mental health problems.

[Khandro]

Eddie; I can't understand how you can write that (as it's Sunday morning I shall be as polite as I can).
The guy was a convert to Islam. ISIS have claimed responsibility. His personal connections have ISIS flags and paraphernalia in their homes. It mirrors the similar atrocities carried out in Nice and Berlin - crimes the like of which have never existed in the history of motor vehicles,

and yet you say it has nothing to do with jihadist terrorism!!!

[naomi24]

I sometimes wonder who our worst enemy really is – mad Islamists – or people like Eddie who remain consistently in denial. I suspect the latter.

[mikey4444]

Eddie....I think you may very well be right there.

This man showed symptoms of mental instability for an early age. His old school friends have told how he was a popular boy in school....very keen on sport and good at his studies. But he seemed to change his behaviour from his late teens, with outbreaks of violence and crime.

The conversion to Islam and brain-washing into becoming an Islamist came much later.

It has been said on the news just now, that we may never know the real reason for his appalling behaviour.

[Zacs-Master]

Indeed. You could argue that all terrorists are mentally unhinged. Using this as an excuse for their actions is dangerous denial.

[naomi24]

Add Mikey's name to my post at 09.00. I would like to say that attitude is unbelievable - but sadly it isn't.

[mikey4444]

I certainly didn't intend to make his mental instability as any kind of excuse Zacs, but it would help in understanding why someone would do such an extreme attack.

[Zacs-Master]

As I said, you could label any terrorist as mentally unstable. It's part of the 'job' description.

[mikey4444]

Indeed Zacs.

[naomi24]

mikey, if you want to understand why someone would commit such an attack look no further than Islam. No need to complicate the issue.

[Zacs-Master]

Does this sound like someone with severe mental health issues?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/26/82-seconds-started-whatsapp-message/

[NoMercy]

I thought it was a great speech, just like his last one re Paris.

[Garaman]

This one from the same source does Zacs http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/london-attacker-khalid-masood-hard-drinking-drug-taking-village/

[EDDIE51]

If we accept this is an act of 'Islamic terrorism' we must also say that any murder or assault committed by someone who happens to be a Muslim is 'Inspired by Isis or Islam' Isis will always claim any murder by a Muslim as 'By One of our soldiers '
This guy had a long history of crime which was becoming increasingly violent. He has been recorded as having mental health problems which include expressing a strong desire to kill people.
He drove his car straight into a group of tourists sightseeing on Westminster Bridge, he can have had no idea if they were Muslim, Christian, Hindu or of no faith. Then he continued on to drive into the gates of the House of Commons where he stabbed a police officer who tried to stop him. At that point it became inevitable that he would be shot.
He had possibly realised what he had done at that point and thought 'Suicide by Cop' was the only way out.
As Mikey said the association with Isis came after he had decided he wanted to kill people. He probably was looking for a way to justify his desire to murder people!
I am as appalled by this act of cowardly cold blooded murder as any of you, but I see it as a criminal act by a man who was mentally unstable with delusions of mass murder rather than a politically inspired act of terrorism.

[Zacs-Master]

'He had possibly realised what he had done at that point and thought 'Suicide by Cop' was the only way out.'

You credit him with very rational thinking for someone with mental health problems.