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pericat | 05:40 Sun 25th Oct 2009 | ChatterBank
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If they turned the radio off - that is unforgivable Media URL: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/23/northwest-pilots-argument-miss-runway
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Maybe this will work Media URL: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/23/northwest-pilots-argument-miss-runway
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will this work Media URL: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/23/northwest-pilots-argument-miss-runway
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Its the story about the pilots forgetting to land as they we deep in discussion and possibly turned their radio off. Unforgivable.
Hi Peri. It's disgusting - but sadly not as uncommon as people might think. Planes can be set to auto pilot, and people DO nod off or become distracted by conversation while it's in this mode. Makes you shudder doesn't it!
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Im a nervous flyer anyway ice and lets say I wont relax the next time. I cant understand how someone on the plane didnt notice especially these days with all the information in front of you
Well I'm not sure what went off, but I heard that they DID drop to sleep, which seems even worse than just nattering doesn't it! Yikes.
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god that is a lot more worrying - I presume they will be made an example of ! although who knows these days - Im sure a lot of the passengers on board will be suing
I don't know how the law stands with that peri, as it depends on what the pilots admit to I suppose, and what's classed as "allowable". Assuming auto pilot was on, they probably have the right to take a short break, but it's not a good thought for the passengers is it? I have a friend who works on airport computer systems, and he's constantly devising new programmes to counteract hackers getting in. I can't bear to think of what might happen if the system failed!!!
Too bloody right they should if the facts are, that they both went to sleep.

There is always a Pilot, Co Pilot and an Engineer in the cockpit and for ALL of them to go to sleep at the same time is scandalous.
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or 'Airplane' - was that film really a documentary but we werent ready for it as yet ?
Don't know hun, but I remember being on a flight over what used to be the old Yugoslavia (what IS it now? Macadonia????). Anyway, another plane suddenly lurched towards ours, and if it hadnt've been for the quick thinking of our pilot, I'm sure there would've been a mid-air crash. The other thing was so close that you could see people in the cockpit. Horrendous! Wonder if someone'd fallen to sleep??? : (
Oh Sqad you are showing your age!

Aircraft haven't had flight engineers for about three decades now.

I used to work as air cabin crew, and I wouldn't be surprised if they both fell asleep.

I only kept awake on night flights by being active, so God knows how they managed it sitting there in the dark.

On long tedious night flights, such as a transatlantic, sometimes one would stay in control while the other dozed. It was against regulations, but many pilots felt it was wise as they felt more alert for approach and landing if they had taken a catnap earlier.

However with only one awake it risks this situation. When I was working that position on the aircraft I use to go in regularly to make sure everything was OK.
surely though if their destimation was programmed in to the ils then all sorts of alarms would be going off if they were approaching too high ?
Panic Button....LOL LOL.......I often wondered how the planes flew without propellers, but I was too embarrassed to ask the stewardess...;-)

Well perhaps we should let the pilots off with a slapped wrist.........or better still to have rampant sex with the stewardesses to keep them awake......the pilot's that is ;-)
Clanad should be able to give a more fullsome and knowledgable answer to this.............

But I believe that travelling at 600mph will mean that in only 15 minutes, you will have overshot your destination by 150 miles..........hardly enough time for the passengers to start looking at their watches and wonder quite what is going on.
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jack, that might be the case for overshooting the runway in an attempted land, but i thought the ils would have been prorammed to warn / assist with control of the approach from several miles back. it seems the pilots were not paying attenttion to the autopilot system and furthermore ignoring the radio. this to me is professional negligence and therefore sackable but pote ntially pursuable through court.

http://en.wikipedia.o...rument_landing_system

if this is someting that could happen with all the technology and safety systems these planes have, then we should all be worried.
Ankou - agreed. Whatever happened was completely shocking and needs to be thoroughly investigated.

Clanad, I believe, is actually a pilot on such aircraft...........in the States...........oo-er.........you don't think... ? ;o)

He came over all poetic on Ab once about watching the sun-rise, etc. I hope he pops over to CB to give us the benefit of his experience.
he was on here last week talking about a scheduled trip to minnea....

uh oh.
Ankou, the ILS only assists for the landing.

It would have nothing to do with starting the descent. Bear in mind the aircaft might be flying at about seven miles up, and I believe the pilot has to instigate the descent process.

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