'Converts' To Christianity - Continued

[naomi24]

A discussion instigated by Khandro in 'News' has turned into a debate on religion but is now almost off the front page. If anyone is interested in pursuing this further, since this is a more appropriate place to continue the discussion, a link to the original is here.

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1773425-8.html#answer-13075590

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - // AH // you cherry-pick what suits your views, and dismiss the rest.//

Yep, that's correct; just they way you pick out all the insignificantly small 'BAD' bits, & ignore all the spiritually uplifting good ones. //

I have no interest in being 'spiritually uplifted in a book I last read over fifty years ago and found seriously wanting even then.

// As someone who claims he has read the bible in its entirety, you should be aware of just what a small proportion of the complete work you refer to. //

I don't have to 'be aware' of anything - you are the one with the self-appointed task of convincing everyone of its truth, I have no interest in proving my view to anyone.

[naomi24]

Khandro, no response to my post at 15.13?

[goodlife]

Naomi@ What were the conditions on earth in Noah’s day? “The badness of man was abundant in the earth and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time. And the earth came to be ruined in the sight of the true God and the earth became filled with violence.”​—Genesis 6:5, 11.

Jehovah's determined to wipe wicked humans off the earth by bringing a global disaster. The Creator, as “Landlord” of the planet, was fully justified in doing so because of mankind’s depravity.

All this show you don't read the Bible ,and all of this is a warning for our day.

[naomi24]

Goodlife, //Jehovah's determined to wipe wicked humans off the earth by bringing a global disaster. //

And he failed.

[goodlife]

Matthew 24:37-39.

[naomi24]

That changes nothing. God regretted creating man - so not perfect and certainly not omniscient - and when he tried to rectify his mistake he failed. The wicked remained. Next!

[vulcan42]

goodlife, this is from Matthew 24:37-39.
\\ For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;//
Why was this so terrible that they had to be, as you put it, wiped out?

[naomi24]

//For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;//

And more to the point, what changed afterwards?

[andy-hughes]

Vulcan - // Why was this so terrible that they had to be, as you put it, wiped out? //

It's all about image.

What better image for a terrible / loving (delete as you prefer) God than the power to wipe everything out and start again.

Of course, the fact that, as Naomi points out, it didn't work, can be given the typical swerve that allows fervents to live with the endless contradictions of their manual of choice.

[archibaldy]

Garden of Eden being fiction: Khandro //No far from it, the discovery of self-consciousness in the story of the Fall of Man, which perpetuates human isolation and separation, happens all the time, throughout history and now in the present. It is, if you like, the existential human condition//

That's not the separation fact and fiction, because some things that happen in stories happen in real life doesn't make them any more real. Relevant maybe but not 'far from' fiction come on.

The 'allegory' thing is nice and easy to say now, with no thanks to religion, that most people don't believe in talking snakes and dust'n'ribs but that drivel had a nice long day in the sun and anyone wedded to that as something meaningful should consider the history how it was used to control and scare the uneducated and wonder if there's no better modern writings to use today to engage people rather than trying to polish up that old turd and make it relevant.

[Khandro]

What an incredibly dull plodding world some people live in.

[naomi24]

^Who - and why?

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - // What an incredibly dull plodding world some people live in. //

Yes, but hopefully you get some relief preaching to the un-interested on here day after day.

[Khandro]

"He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others".

Samuel Johnson

[naomi24]

That's what Samuel Johnson said. What do you say?

[andy-hughes]

Even Doctor Johnson has you pegged Khandro!

[Khandro]

//That's what Samuel Johnson said. What do you say?//
I say, reading through some of these threads, I can see what he meant

[naomi24]

Oh really, Khandro? Handy to have something to fall back on when the discussion becomes too tough for you to handle I suppose.

[Khandro]

Quite right naomi, we retired university senior-lecturers are outclassed by the dizzying dialogue & compelling arguments on these typical R&S threads.
In fact it's quite humbling sometimes trying to grapple with such knowledgeable biblical scholarship.

[naomi24]

That’s patently obvious.