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What Does Sharia Law Have To Offer Britain?
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Keyplus, on another thread, has suggested that Sharia Law is the answer to Britain's problems. This lady, an ex-Muslim, would disagree.
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i was going to post on this and completely forgot, sorry about that.
Sharia Law should as the lady in question says, have no place in Britain, no place at all. However more Sharia courts are being established, and they are not simply for matters of dispute in marriages, as she rightly says.
Having watched most of the thought.tv 5 minute slots conclude that those for seem to outweigh those against.
Sharia Law should as the lady in question says, have no place in Britain, no place at all. However more Sharia courts are being established, and they are not simply for matters of dispute in marriages, as she rightly says.
Having watched most of the thought.tv 5 minute slots conclude that those for seem to outweigh those against.
keyplus what the woman was saying is what many of us have been saying for so long, the women are undervalued, treated badly, have few if any rights in law, this is not the case if you live in Britain, and live under the rules, law of this country. and not some halfbaked ideology, that no one wants here.
I watched the series, did forget to post and ask people's opinion, and glad that Naomi has posted it.
I watched the series, did forget to post and ask people's opinion, and glad that Naomi has posted it.
Keyplus -
The link you provided is worded very carefully so as to portray Dhimmi status as nothing to worry about and as almost equal to that of a muslim living under Sharia. Unfortunately, when you read it carefully it betrays this notion. The devil, as they say, is in the detail.
Have a look at the graphic of Edward Lane’s document that speaks about Dhimmis, “... [they are] free non-Muslim subjects of a Muslim government who pay a poll-tax for which the Muslims are responsible for their security and freedom and toleration...”. This is quite interesting. What it says is that in order to be protected and *tollerated* by their muslim rulers, the Dhimmis have to pay a poll-tax which should not, “... over-tax them beyond their capability...” [Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 2824].
Forgive me, but isn't that how a protection racket works? The people being 'protected' and 'tolerated' have to pay huge taxes in order to secure their own safety. The taxes are onerous, unfair and come with the threat of menaces.
Unfortunately Keyplus, the link you have provided demonstrates two things very well. First, you said [18:36 Sun 20th Jan 2013], “... all None Muslims has nothing to worry about Shariah law as it does not apply on them any way...”, which is demonstrably untrue since you yourself have posted a link to a document that deals specifically with non-muslims living under Sharia. By doing so you have proved yourself wrong on this point. Secondly, the document you linked provides further proof that non-muslims living under Sharia have much to fear from their muslim rulers as I have described above.
No matter how you cut it Keyplus, non-muslims living under Sharia do not have the same legal rights as muslims living under the same rule.
The link you provided is worded very carefully so as to portray Dhimmi status as nothing to worry about and as almost equal to that of a muslim living under Sharia. Unfortunately, when you read it carefully it betrays this notion. The devil, as they say, is in the detail.
Have a look at the graphic of Edward Lane’s document that speaks about Dhimmis, “... [they are] free non-Muslim subjects of a Muslim government who pay a poll-tax for which the Muslims are responsible for their security and freedom and toleration...”. This is quite interesting. What it says is that in order to be protected and *tollerated* by their muslim rulers, the Dhimmis have to pay a poll-tax which should not, “... over-tax them beyond their capability...” [Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 2824].
Forgive me, but isn't that how a protection racket works? The people being 'protected' and 'tolerated' have to pay huge taxes in order to secure their own safety. The taxes are onerous, unfair and come with the threat of menaces.
Unfortunately Keyplus, the link you have provided demonstrates two things very well. First, you said [18:36 Sun 20th Jan 2013], “... all None Muslims has nothing to worry about Shariah law as it does not apply on them any way...”, which is demonstrably untrue since you yourself have posted a link to a document that deals specifically with non-muslims living under Sharia. By doing so you have proved yourself wrong on this point. Secondly, the document you linked provides further proof that non-muslims living under Sharia have much to fear from their muslim rulers as I have described above.
No matter how you cut it Keyplus, non-muslims living under Sharia do not have the same legal rights as muslims living under the same rule.
My little birdie that is the reason I just ignore you. This time I provided a link because you asked what you have never asked and we have never discussed before. But you are doing what you do the best, not thinking but saying what your little brain is stuck on. I have given you a link explaining about why and in what aspects of life the Dhimmis are treated differently. But obviously your mentality is that if someone opens and holds a door and says to a lady “ladies first” then that person would be branded as gentleman. Until you find out the person who said that was a Muslims then you would call him a women oppressor because he was FORCING a woman to go first.
So there you go once again, my offer for you to come with me to Saudi Arabia to find people who had their hands amputated is still there and I can add another category into that now. Find me ONE (yes just one) person obviously None Muslims, who has been declared Zimmi (right pronunciation, for increase in your knowledge) by the ruling government in any Muslim country today.
So there you go once again, my offer for you to come with me to Saudi Arabia to find people who had their hands amputated is still there and I can add another category into that now. Find me ONE (yes just one) person obviously None Muslims, who has been declared Zimmi (right pronunciation, for increase in your knowledge) by the ruling government in any Muslim country today.
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"Non-Muslims who accept the leadership of Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak are considered ‘kafir zimmi’ (friendly non-believers), said Deputy Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Mashitah Ibrahim."
"Non-Muslims who accept the leadership of Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak are considered ‘kafir zimmi’ (friendly non-believers), said Deputy Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Mashitah Ibrahim."
and one day there will be war, between the followers of Islam, those not so few fundamentalists who want the west vanquished, and westerners who believe that democracy and freedom is the only way forward.
this might not happen in my lifetime, but i see it coming all the same. So many corners of the globe hold large pockets of people who are adherents to the faith, many are having their heads turned by those who have influence and wealth, who despise everything the west stands for.
i quote part of this from a journalist friend, from 30 years ago.
he worked in the Middle East for many years, and knew the places and peoples well. The world is a much more dangerous place than it was 20 years ago, and now some have access to large scale weaponry, they are not just jihadists riding camels in the desert.
doom and gloom perhaps, but i believed him then, and have seen little in the last few years to change my mind.
this might not happen in my lifetime, but i see it coming all the same. So many corners of the globe hold large pockets of people who are adherents to the faith, many are having their heads turned by those who have influence and wealth, who despise everything the west stands for.
i quote part of this from a journalist friend, from 30 years ago.
he worked in the Middle East for many years, and knew the places and peoples well. The world is a much more dangerous place than it was 20 years ago, and now some have access to large scale weaponry, they are not just jihadists riding camels in the desert.
doom and gloom perhaps, but i believed him then, and have seen little in the last few years to change my mind.
Allow me to remind you what actually happened Keyplus rather than what you are now claiming has just happened.
First, you said that, “... None Muslims has nothing to worry about Shariah law as it does not apply on them any way...”. I contested that Sharia had quite a lot to say about non-muslims, or Dhimmis (correct spelling) as they are called. I claimed that Dhimmis have less legal rights than non-muslims under Sharia and pay substantially higher taxes than muslims under this system.
You then posted a link which did two things:
a) it proved that your initial claim that Sharia has nothing to do with non-muslims was false and;
b) it proved my above points about Dhimmis.
So when you say that, “... I have given you a link explaining about why and in what aspects of life the Dhimmis are treated differently...” are you now agreeing with me that non-muslims under the rule of Sharia law have less rights than muslims?
If so, then it would appear that we are in agreement on this matter.
First, you said that, “... None Muslims has nothing to worry about Shariah law as it does not apply on them any way...”. I contested that Sharia had quite a lot to say about non-muslims, or Dhimmis (correct spelling) as they are called. I claimed that Dhimmis have less legal rights than non-muslims under Sharia and pay substantially higher taxes than muslims under this system.
You then posted a link which did two things:
a) it proved that your initial claim that Sharia has nothing to do with non-muslims was false and;
b) it proved my above points about Dhimmis.
So when you say that, “... I have given you a link explaining about why and in what aspects of life the Dhimmis are treated differently...” are you now agreeing with me that non-muslims under the rule of Sharia law have less rights than muslims?
If so, then it would appear that we are in agreement on this matter.
Keyplus - “... my offer for you to come with me to Saudi Arabia...”
Do you really think, even in your wildest dreams, that I would accept your offer? Do you really think I'm that stupid? You and I both know that the offer is not genuine but is simply a laughably transparent ruse to get to meet me face to face.
You're a twisted individual Keyplus, you really are.
Do you really think, even in your wildest dreams, that I would accept your offer? Do you really think I'm that stupid? You and I both know that the offer is not genuine but is simply a laughably transparent ruse to get to meet me face to face.
You're a twisted individual Keyplus, you really are.
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