Why should the 'rising tide of atheism' be opposed?

[naomi24]

Another offering from the thought-provoking 4thought TV in which the speaker calls for Christians and Muslims living in Britain to unite to ‘fight the rising tide of atheism’. Any thoughts?

http://www.4thought.t...on/1170?autoplay=true

[argorstran]

Naomi , Hitler started his attacks with an all out attack on one of the theistic religions - the religion in question being Judaism . His attacks didn't stop there he went on to attack all around him . So if they start to attack the religions again do beware , they may not stop with the religions .

[emmie]

i would personally tell them to bugger off and leave us alone, if they want to preach their beliefs it's up to them, i don't happen to like, agree with or think about the Bible, Koran, Torah, or any such tract, i also don't see it as a rising tide of atheism, there have always been atheists, why are they getting their knickers in a twist.

[naomi24]

argorstran, //So if they start to attack the religions again do beware, they may not stop with the religions.//

It seems the man in the video doesn't want to attack religions - he wants to start elsewhere - and I know who Hitler attacked - we all know.

[naomi24]

Em, //why are they getting their knickers in a twist. //

Perhaps because after centuries atheists are finally able to voice their opinions without fearing for their lives - and religion doesn't like it one bit.

[emmie]

what he said, "in some place you can't wear a face covering", is that a religious point or a cultural point, because i assumed it's the latter. whichever it is why should women have to.

[goodlife]

Well there is little if any attempt made by these existentialists to argue against the traditional proofs for the existence of God; atheism is simply taken for granted, Such atheism could explain the morbid gloom, the heightening anxiety, and the sheer absurdity of life that one often finds in existentialism. The absence of God makes death an absolute, an absolute that is regarded by some as an absurd stupidity, by others as a ludicrous monstrosity. an extreme emphasis on the dark side of human existence. Frustration, annoyance, and sorrows are part of all human living, but existentialism seems centered on them. So the is very little joy and gladness in existentialist literature.

[emmie]

where is your absolute proof that there is more after death, if you can tell me then i might consider my options.

[naomi24]

Goodlife, it may have escaped your notice but you're the one permanently banging on about death, destruction, and gloom. The atheists don't do it.

[goodlife]

Worng, you see many turn a deaf ear to the truth because of not being open-minded, not being willing to take the time to hear the proof. They are unwilling to investigate, to prove all things by God’s inspired Word, and so show themselves to be fools by answering a matter before they hear it. They ignore God’s invitation to come and reason together. (Prov. 18:13) Prejudice, religious or of another form, keeps their ears closed so, not such atheist

[naomi24]

Goodlife, not it isn't wrong. The atheists don't do it. Now, why don't you show Em the absolute proof you claim to have as she asked you to?

[goodlife]

Em-A firm belief in something for which there is no proof” is the very opposite of true faith. Of course, the dictionary may be referring to visible proof. But, where there is no proof at all, such belief is properly described as credulity. It flies in the face of the Bible definition of faith, as given at - Hebrews 11:1
Then people say if I had positive proof that the Bible is God’s Word, “I we would believe it.” Oftentimes, however, such people are unable to say what “positive proof” would be necessary to convince them. Would it be a miracle?
Jesus performed many miracles while here on earth, yet skeptics refused to accept them as proof that he was God’s Spokesman.

Prophecy, Certainly, the God of truth and Source of all wisdom, the One knowing from the beginning the end, should be able to predict what will take place in future times, including your. ( Isaiah 46:9, 10) The Bible was not written for nothing.

But because “faith is not a possession of all people,” this sharing of God’s truth will expose you to attack or ridicule. (2 Thessalonians 3:2) like Naome and others.

[naomi24]

Goodlife, Despite knowing absolutely nothing about me, you have intimated that I am unhappy, that I live an immoral lifestyle, and that my family life is dysfunctional, so let’s hear no more about you being attacked. I’m not ridiculing you and neither am I attacking you – but I am attacking your philosophy and I’m asking you to provide the proof you claim to have to substantiate the assertions you’re making – but you can’t – so will you please stop preaching and allow the thread to return to the original subject matter.

[modeller]

Hitler did not attack Judaism . He attacked the Jews which is not the same thing. He wouldn't attack Judaism on its own because Judaism is the bible.
Christ is a Jewish prophet.and Hitler was a strong RC as were most of the Nazi party.

Stalin was educated in a monastary and studied to become a priest. He was supported by the Russian Orthodox Church and after the war built 25,000 churches.

Mao's family were devout Buddhists and initially he was destined for the priesthood.

All three men received their inspiration and ambition from their spiritual background. Maybe it was that which turned them into the dictators we know.

[goodlife]

Naomi-Your Worng a again,but ok I'll not answer yourthreads again. But don't answer mine either.

[vulcan]

goodlife, telling people they're wrong is hardly a compelling argument and proves nothing.

[jomifl]

I think goodlife is he wrongest person on this thread, any others agree with me? just say aye

[jomifl]

Argostran, if you are going to compare the casualty rates of atheist and religious rule then you need to apply a bit of statistical rigour. Science is a tool that you have to understand to be able to use it successfully. Perhaps you should develop the idea of belief a bit further if it works for you. There could be lots of practical applications that aren't addressed by rational thought and the scientific method.

[LazyGun]

It was interesting to watch that video.

The commentator himself seems more than a little confused.He seems to confuse secularism with atheism, for starters.
He bangs on about the UK "should remain a Christian Nation" rather than a secular nation, whereas the reality is that the UK is already a secular nation, with the christian faith being the largest faith group.
To take one of his examples of the attacks on religion by atheism he cites this idea that you cannot pray before a public meeting -which is patent nonsense. Of course you can pray - what has been banned is an official mandated prayer ahead of a meeting, which discriminated against non- believers.

Religions of all stripes within the developed world will be concerned at their dwindling congregations and diminishing lack of influence - the rest of us will be cheering on the rising tide of atheism ;)

And just as a side issue- I see goodlife is still peddling that tired old trope of biblical "proofs" of god. That does not constitute either evidence or proof goodlife. You speak nonsense, as usual.

[naomi24]

Goodlife, oh, I'll answer your threads. You keep telling me I'm wrong, but you never appear to be capable of telling me why I'm wrong.

LG, thank you for taking this thread back on track. I'd realy like to see how that chap proposes to action his suggestion.

[ludwig]

I can't see that video for some reason Naomi.

The concept of Christians and Muslims uniting to fight atheism is interesting though. It sounds a bit desparate doesn't it? - we really don't care what people believe any more, as long as they believe something.