ask yourself.

[wildwood]

Has any religious person ever seriously wondered why their idol would have bothered to create Earth and all its sinning and questioning minions? It surely would have made more sense to create the planet's creatures without fault so he could enjoy his creation!

[Davethedog]

Ludwig - That would make you a kind and loving owner as I understand it

[jomifl]

Ludwig, if the puppies are destined to be guard dogs, wouldn't it be better to throw the cuddly ones one the bonfire. I have a sneaking suspicion that 'god' invented religion to sort out the wheat from the chaff, I couldn't possibly say which was which though :-)

[naomi24]

// Is there sin and evil in heaven?

No? then is there no free-will?//

Not necessarily. Only good people go to heaven, allegedly, and they would automatically use their free will to be … good …. wouldn’t they? Hence, no sin and evil in heaven.

VE, //Will whoever winds the key in Goodlife's back explain why these two facts are ILLOGICAL (stress VE)?//

Pass.

Goodlife?

[jomifl]

Goodlife, please explain the 'logic' that makes you think that intelligent creatures should live longer than less intelligent creatures. There is precious little evidence for this in nature, err sorry ..god's creation.

[jomifl]

Ed, were the points in your reply serious or were you just bored?

[doctordb]

Was it not the 'sinning and questioning mimions' who created god?

[Old_Geezer]

In a PC simulation of a world the characters have no free will. Where is the sense in that ? Where is the drama ?

Ah it is illogical for less intelligent creatures to live longer than more intelligent creatures because the former are obviously meant as food for the latter, who have dominion over them, and so they have no need of a long life since they would gain little from it.

[doctordb]

Minions not 'mimions' - don't know who they are.

[jomifl]

Mimions are from the planet mimia, one of the Lord's lesser known creations, where intelligent beings live long enough to eat the less intelligent beings.

[jomifl]

It is reassuring to know that being made in god's image, we are all perfect. So I can give church a miss then?

[wildwood]

AB Editor, your 'contribution' makes no sense at all. And where is my question against the answerbank's spirit? If you are going to answer as the Ed, at least have the modesty to do so with a fair mind and not abuse your position on AB.

[goodlife]

jomifl - wildwood -Naomi@ Ask yourself developing common sense is advantageous. It makes life more interesting and can save us time. Common sense may even reduce the frustration that often comes from doing things thoughtlessly. Those lacking good judgment make life harder for themselves. The hard work of the stupid ones makes them weary,” states the Bible. (Ecclesiastes 10:15) Such individuals may toil endlessly and tire themselves out; yet, they accomplish virtually nothing truly worthwhile.

[jomifl]

Amen to that!

[ludwig]

// Ludwig, if the puppies are destined to be guard dogs, wouldn't it be better to throw the cuddly ones one the bonfire //

These ones aren't. They're just intended as cuddly things that will love and adore me, and I'll love in return.

The others can burn. They've chosen their own fate by rejecting me. Free will and all that.

[jomifl]

Wildwood, I agree with you completely. The Ed's contribution was not that of an impartial overseer and should not have been made in that capacity.

[naomi24]

Goodlife, //Ask yourself developing common sense is advantageous.//

So, in your experience, and in the bible’s opinion, the hard work of thinking is tiring and developing common sense is not advantageous. That’s truly sad.

As for accomplishing nothing, may I suggest you do a little research into some of the humanist organisations that work - tirelessly - around the world for the benefit of other human beings.

Wildwood, Jom – I confess I was rather perplexed by the Ed’s strange comment too.

[jomifl]

Tired and emotional?

[WaldoMcFroog]

jno <i>"If this is the case, then free will is clearly not sufficient to allow us to avoid sin"</i>

"That doesn't follow. It may be that it is sufficient, but people are not taking advantage of it. My computer is perfect (no doubt) but I still screw up when using it."

Additional to my previous point: it does follow. We are told that we are born with original sin, sufficient in and of itself to damn us to Hell. Since this necessarily must come before the capacity for free will, the original point ergo stands.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Do'h - wrong tags!

[naomi24]

I've given up with tags, Waldo. I stick to // now. I can't go wrong with that.