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The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.
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While I'm not suggesting that the AB atheists are the worst, this line might explain why the atheist v theist debate seems so one sided.
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Sith, //Naomi, you are saying that i am doing nothing to stop it.//
You’re making it up again. What I said is that you continue to make excuses for it, and in refusing to criticise the perpetrators, you are, in effect, condoning it.
As for the rest of your post, ‘shooting the messenger’ is evidence of a deficient argument. It’s the coward’s way. You have no idea what I do in real life. And do please stop talking about common sense. If reading your posts is anything to go by, that is something you have no experience of.
So let us examine your argument and attempt to reach a rational conclusion. You do not agree with it, you think it is wrong, but you will not criticise your religion. Well, you have. If you think it is wrong, then it follows that you think the Koran is wrong, because that condones it - and it also follows that you think Mohammed was wrong, because he was all for it.
You’re making it up again. What I said is that you continue to make excuses for it, and in refusing to criticise the perpetrators, you are, in effect, condoning it.
As for the rest of your post, ‘shooting the messenger’ is evidence of a deficient argument. It’s the coward’s way. You have no idea what I do in real life. And do please stop talking about common sense. If reading your posts is anything to go by, that is something you have no experience of.
So let us examine your argument and attempt to reach a rational conclusion. You do not agree with it, you think it is wrong, but you will not criticise your religion. Well, you have. If you think it is wrong, then it follows that you think the Koran is wrong, because that condones it - and it also follows that you think Mohammed was wrong, because he was all for it.
//Steady on Ratter old chap I'm sure they aren't all like Sith and Keyplus :-)//
But they are bargaining with the same devil . . . ambiguity.
Belief in the arbitrary, no matter how innocent in intent, lends legitimacy to the arbitrary beliefs of another in that they are no less validated by their lack of correlation to reality with the 'worst' willing to kill in support of their arbitrary beliefs over who rules the heavens while the 'best' knell idly by praying on behalf of their own arbitrary belief to be forgiven for their complicity.
But they are bargaining with the same devil . . . ambiguity.
Belief in the arbitrary, no matter how innocent in intent, lends legitimacy to the arbitrary beliefs of another in that they are no less validated by their lack of correlation to reality with the 'worst' willing to kill in support of their arbitrary beliefs over who rules the heavens while the 'best' knell idly by praying on behalf of their own arbitrary belief to be forgiven for their complicity.
Sith - “... if this is a mental prison, you [Birdie] must be the stupid interrogator... i have clearly said that i think it is WRONG [child abuse] and that i would not do it, practice it or encourage it... if this is still not a clear answer for you than god help you. No joking, seriously, god help you...”
I certainly don't require help from your god or anyone else’s. I know right from wrong without god's help. I know it's wrong to allow child abuse to go unchallenged. I know it's wrong to be silent when people are being abused because you're frightened of upsetting the apple-cart.
I know these things because they are moral truths.
Your religious belief has altered your perception of morality. I think you know right from wrong. The problem is, your religion is telling you that wrong is right in this case. This presents you with a dilemma. Do you do and say what you really think or do you toe the line for fear of upsetting your religion and your god?
You've ended up doing both – condemning the practice and condoning it – thereby creating the contradiction. You cannot address the contradiction because that would be an acknowledgement of your moral dilemma and hence, your dissatisfaction with the actions of your prophet. As I said, you're trapped in a mental prison and unfortunately for you, I am far from stupid.
I certainly don't require help from your god or anyone else’s. I know right from wrong without god's help. I know it's wrong to allow child abuse to go unchallenged. I know it's wrong to be silent when people are being abused because you're frightened of upsetting the apple-cart.
I know these things because they are moral truths.
Your religious belief has altered your perception of morality. I think you know right from wrong. The problem is, your religion is telling you that wrong is right in this case. This presents you with a dilemma. Do you do and say what you really think or do you toe the line for fear of upsetting your religion and your god?
You've ended up doing both – condemning the practice and condoning it – thereby creating the contradiction. You cannot address the contradiction because that would be an acknowledgement of your moral dilemma and hence, your dissatisfaction with the actions of your prophet. As I said, you're trapped in a mental prison and unfortunately for you, I am far from stupid.
jom, this may come as a suprise to you but as part of friday prayer they do sermons (speeches) and this was one of the topics. Child marriages and the mosques raised money for islamic aid (a muslim charity) to suuport young people.
Apart from that it is the people who live in those countries duties to stop it.
If islam was that bad a religion than how come many people are converting, men and women and children, even after all the things that are being said in the media like 9/11 and the 7/7 bombings?
and there are many others. Now i know your excuse is going to be high birth rates and marriages and all that, which i am not saying isnt true, yes those are some of the reasons but if islam was that bad how come so many people convert to islam even with all the bad things being said about it? surely they cannot all be mad? I mean they have all the reasons to hate islam because of the media, yet they choose to convert. why? they study it. realise it is not about killing innocent people and they realise what jihad really is. Not this twisted version al qaeda give you. Jihad is a personal struggle, this is higher jihad, lower jihad is defence, not attack.
In the end you can say all you like about islam, call it crap if you want, but if that was the case than how come it is one of the fastest growing religions in the world with one of the most converts. Even after all these attrocities? it is because they have faith? faith in god? you may call me misguided for saying this, but than again, i am pretty much getting used to it from you.
Apart from that it is the people who live in those countries duties to stop it.
If islam was that bad a religion than how come many people are converting, men and women and children, even after all the things that are being said in the media like 9/11 and the 7/7 bombings?
and there are many others. Now i know your excuse is going to be high birth rates and marriages and all that, which i am not saying isnt true, yes those are some of the reasons but if islam was that bad how come so many people convert to islam even with all the bad things being said about it? surely they cannot all be mad? I mean they have all the reasons to hate islam because of the media, yet they choose to convert. why? they study it. realise it is not about killing innocent people and they realise what jihad really is. Not this twisted version al qaeda give you. Jihad is a personal struggle, this is higher jihad, lower jihad is defence, not attack.
In the end you can say all you like about islam, call it crap if you want, but if that was the case than how come it is one of the fastest growing religions in the world with one of the most converts. Even after all these attrocities? it is because they have faith? faith in god? you may call me misguided for saying this, but than again, i am pretty much getting used to it from you.
birdie to sith //Your religious belief has altered your perception of morality. I think you know right from wrong. The problem is, your religion is telling you that wrong is right in this case. This presents you with a dilemma.//
It is called Cognitive Dissonance.
http://en.wikipedia.o.../Cognitive_dissonance
It is interesting to see how sith deals with it.
It is called Cognitive Dissonance.
http://en.wikipedia.o.../Cognitive_dissonance
It is interesting to see how sith deals with it.
Sith - “.... if islam was that bad how come so many people convert to islam even with all the bad things being said about it?... how come it [Islam] is one of the fastest growing religions in the world with one of the most converts...”
Your above posts (along with the accompanying videos) are an excellent example of a person unable to answer the difficult questions put to him. Instead of honestly answering those questions asked of you by myself and others, you have retreated to a position you are far more comfortable and familiar with – proselytising for Islam and asking unanswerable questions.
All that effort to avoid the fundamental issue of the obvious contradiction that you face. Your inability to acknowledge the obvious fracture between what you know to be wrong and what you believe you must say and think in order to stay on your god's good side is now plain for all to see.
Your above posts (along with the accompanying videos) are an excellent example of a person unable to answer the difficult questions put to him. Instead of honestly answering those questions asked of you by myself and others, you have retreated to a position you are far more comfortable and familiar with – proselytising for Islam and asking unanswerable questions.
All that effort to avoid the fundamental issue of the obvious contradiction that you face. Your inability to acknowledge the obvious fracture between what you know to be wrong and what you believe you must say and think in order to stay on your god's good side is now plain for all to see.
no birdie, i am answering your question. You are all saying that islam is so bad on girls and women. However there are lots of girls and women converting to islam? that goes against what you are saying. If what you said was true than less should be converting and more should be leaving. Open your eyes, that is not the truth. It is obvious that women are converting to islam, even after everything they hear.
//Stop making excuses. Those people are living in this country now - and you are rubbing shoulders with them.//
Oh, so they have all moved into England now? wow.
//Stop making excuses. Those people are living in this country now - and you are rubbing shoulders with them.//
Oh, so they have all moved into England now? wow.
Sith, //Oh, so they have all moved into England now? wow.//
You make yourself more ridiculous with every post. I’ll say the same to you as I said to Keyplus on another thread. Your fundamental problem is that you think Islam is beyond reproach – but it isn’t – and neither are some of its people. What those people do is morally wrong – and you know it.
You make yourself more ridiculous with every post. I’ll say the same to you as I said to Keyplus on another thread. Your fundamental problem is that you think Islam is beyond reproach – but it isn’t – and neither are some of its people. What those people do is morally wrong – and you know it.
Sith - “... no birdie, i am answering your question. You are all saying that islam is so bad on girls and women....”
No Sith. You are not answering my question at all. In fact, you're now deliberately trying to suggest that my question is different from the one I am actually seeking an answer for. I would advise you to have a look at this thread that addresses logical fallacies, since you're attempting a 'Strawman' argument (ie. “Misrepresenting or exaggerating someone's argument to make it easier to attack”)...
http://www.theanswerb.../Question1127555.html
However, I digress.
My question is this – how can you condemn the practice of little girls marrying grown men and then argue that it's okay as long as the little girl agrees?
This is my question. You know this is my question because I have asked it several times now and every time I ask it, you completely fail to address your own contradiction.
No Sith. You are not answering my question at all. In fact, you're now deliberately trying to suggest that my question is different from the one I am actually seeking an answer for. I would advise you to have a look at this thread that addresses logical fallacies, since you're attempting a 'Strawman' argument (ie. “Misrepresenting or exaggerating someone's argument to make it easier to attack”)...
http://www.theanswerb.../Question1127555.html
However, I digress.
My question is this – how can you condemn the practice of little girls marrying grown men and then argue that it's okay as long as the little girl agrees?
This is my question. You know this is my question because I have asked it several times now and every time I ask it, you completely fail to address your own contradiction.
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