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Has the medical profession at last woke up to the dangers of blood transfusion? - Acts 15: 20, 29
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This is a trailer for a major new TV documentary scheduled
for release in the spring of 2012 called: Media URL: http://youtu.be/h1rCBcJut9c
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for release in the spring of 2012 called: Media URL: http://youtu.be/h1rCBcJut9c
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Anyone who can not see that this passage is intended to refer to the 'taking of blood' as meaning that you do not kill or injure others and therefore 'take their blood' must be several sandwiches short of a picnic !
Mymon , the concept of blood transfusion 2000 years ago was so alien it could never entered the head of the writer. Then the only meaning of 'Take Blood ' was the violent one this meaning has been lost in antiquity apart from the JWs.
By the way I am a regular blood doner with 48 donations so far , I am willing to bet I have saved more lives than your Jehovah has !
Anyone who can not see that this passage is intended to refer to the 'taking of blood' as meaning that you do not kill or injure others and therefore 'take their blood' must be several sandwiches short of a picnic !
Mymon , the concept of blood transfusion 2000 years ago was so alien it could never entered the head of the writer. Then the only meaning of 'Take Blood ' was the violent one this meaning has been lost in antiquity apart from the JWs.
By the way I am a regular blood doner with 48 donations so far , I am willing to bet I have saved more lives than your Jehovah has !
I'd disagree with you on that interpretation about blood Eddie, though not the sentiment.
I understand Acts15 as being a discussion between the new Jewish Christians and the new Gentile Christians about what's in the prospectus for future converts, and which bits of Moses Laws get carried forward. So we have:
compulsory circumcision out from the start (smart move, guys); no fornicating, no eating meats meant for idols (sensible food hygene); not eating strangled animals and no taking blood i.e. all slaughtered animals have to be bled (ditto).
I understand Acts15 as being a discussion between the new Jewish Christians and the new Gentile Christians about what's in the prospectus for future converts, and which bits of Moses Laws get carried forward. So we have:
compulsory circumcision out from the start (smart move, guys); no fornicating, no eating meats meant for idols (sensible food hygene); not eating strangled animals and no taking blood i.e. all slaughtered animals have to be bled (ditto).
humbersloop , OK I take the point. But my main stance is that the literal interpretation of 'do not take blood' as preached by the Jehovah's Witnesses is utterly wrong.
On a tangent, my neice and her husband are both Methodist ministers , they are very happy to allow the blood doners service to use their church hall as a donar centre no conflict in their eyes, yet they take the bible as true.
On a tangent, my neice and her husband are both Methodist ministers , they are very happy to allow the blood doners service to use their church hall as a donar centre no conflict in their eyes, yet they take the bible as true.
I have had two serious operations and not taken blood. I am still here and have no problems in fact, there were two others who had the same operation and they took blood - but I recovered quicker and was discharged earlier than they.
My family make their own choice, they are old enough and wise enough to make their own decisions. One family member was involved in a very serious road accident and was bleeding internally. The Drs never picked up on this and were determined to give a transfusion. Fortunately, another member (who was not a JW) recognised the fact that there was something wrong and insisted the Drs examine him again, they found that he was bleeding internally and infusing more blood would have killed him.
However, Jehovah's Witnesses do take transfusions, although not of whole blood. Plus there is a new method called "Cell Salvage". This now removes any need for blood transfusions. This method can also be used by non Jehovah's Witnesses - it is not exclusive.
Surgeons have also used the method whereby they glue the wound as they go thus reducing the bleeding.
My family make their own choice, they are old enough and wise enough to make their own decisions. One family member was involved in a very serious road accident and was bleeding internally. The Drs never picked up on this and were determined to give a transfusion. Fortunately, another member (who was not a JW) recognised the fact that there was something wrong and insisted the Drs examine him again, they found that he was bleeding internally and infusing more blood would have killed him.
However, Jehovah's Witnesses do take transfusions, although not of whole blood. Plus there is a new method called "Cell Salvage". This now removes any need for blood transfusions. This method can also be used by non Jehovah's Witnesses - it is not exclusive.
Surgeons have also used the method whereby they glue the wound as they go thus reducing the bleeding.
@Truthabounds
Anecdote presented as evidence, yet again.
"Fortunately, another member (who was not a JW) recognised the fact that there was something wrong and insisted the Drs examine him again, they found that he was bleeding internally and infusing more blood would have killed him."
How, exactly, was it envisioned that "infusing more blood would kill him? Please elaborate - by what mechanism was this alleged blood transfusion going to be fatal? Because without further elaboration, that just reads like one of your more elaborate instances of hyperbole.
and "cell salvage" is hardly new - as a process its been around in various forms for at least 2 decades now, and is routinely used, which has driven down the need for blood.It doesnt entirely remove the need for a blood transfusion - in a major op, for instance, the blood loss can be greater than the amount reclaimed by cell salvage, and in such major procedures, the patient will almost certainly need plasma or platelet infusions.
There is a huge, massive difference between drinking blood, be it from vanquished enemies or domesticated animals, for ritual or for some supposed "magical" benefit, and transfusing it in order to help save/sustain life - and the rigid interpretation of your magic book of verse prevents you from adapting to changes in the science, culture or the environment. It leaves you isolated and increasingly irrelevant -a kind of social evolutionary dead end. Darwinism in action - Yay! :)
Anecdote presented as evidence, yet again.
"Fortunately, another member (who was not a JW) recognised the fact that there was something wrong and insisted the Drs examine him again, they found that he was bleeding internally and infusing more blood would have killed him."
How, exactly, was it envisioned that "infusing more blood would kill him? Please elaborate - by what mechanism was this alleged blood transfusion going to be fatal? Because without further elaboration, that just reads like one of your more elaborate instances of hyperbole.
and "cell salvage" is hardly new - as a process its been around in various forms for at least 2 decades now, and is routinely used, which has driven down the need for blood.It doesnt entirely remove the need for a blood transfusion - in a major op, for instance, the blood loss can be greater than the amount reclaimed by cell salvage, and in such major procedures, the patient will almost certainly need plasma or platelet infusions.
There is a huge, massive difference between drinking blood, be it from vanquished enemies or domesticated animals, for ritual or for some supposed "magical" benefit, and transfusing it in order to help save/sustain life - and the rigid interpretation of your magic book of verse prevents you from adapting to changes in the science, culture or the environment. It leaves you isolated and increasingly irrelevant -a kind of social evolutionary dead end. Darwinism in action - Yay! :)
Birdie@ Before you go shouting your mouth off, check your facts. The link I gave was a trailer to the TV documentary which is to be shown on TV in the spring. It is not a video by Jehovah’s Witnesses, it was just a Youtube clip regarding the documentary which is by a major independent TV company.
Cell salvage has been going for some years, true. It was instigated by Jehovah’s Witnesses because of their stand on the blood issue. It was first introduced as an experiment in the early 90’s and the first machines were financed by the Witnesses to hospitals in the south of England.
Acts 15 v 19 & 29 - 19 Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, 20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
If a doctor told you to stop taking alcoholic beverages, would that mean you don’t drink alcohol but you can still inject it into your veins? Of course not – so in like manner, abstaining from blood means not to take it into our body in any form.
Cell salvage has been going for some years, true. It was instigated by Jehovah’s Witnesses because of their stand on the blood issue. It was first introduced as an experiment in the early 90’s and the first machines were financed by the Witnesses to hospitals in the south of England.
Acts 15 v 19 & 29 - 19 Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, 20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
If a doctor told you to stop taking alcoholic beverages, would that mean you don’t drink alcohol but you can still inject it into your veins? Of course not – so in like manner, abstaining from blood means not to take it into our body in any form.
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