Geographically Confused

[Baldric]

Just heard a 'Homes under the Hammer' presenter say Suffolk is in the South East of England, on AB we have a member living near Clacton often says they live in the South East

http://fatihtorun.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/area-map-large-in-map-uk-regions.jpg

FYI Guys
The SE is mostly South of the Thames Estuary

[jno]

I suppose if you divide England up with a cross like a + the four divisions created woulde be NW, NE, SW and SE, and Suffolk would be in the last of these.

[ethandron]

I am in a permanent state of geographical confusion.

[Baldric]

jno, ok, but England is not divided up like that, see OP Link.
We pay good money to live in the SE and these people are just trying to big up where they live without forking out for the privilege of doing so.

[Buenchico]

In terms of weather forecasts though, the forecast "for the South-East" is more likely to apply here in East Anglia than the one "for the East".

I used to have friends who ran a café in Walton-on-the-Naze. They were constantly irritated by weather presenters who warned that "it will be wet along the East coast" (thus losing them a lot of potential trade from day-trippers), when "the East coast" forecast actually only applied north of the Wash, with the one that said "it will be warm and sunny in the South-East" correctly forecasting the weather on the Essex coast.

In many ways "East Anglia" is a distinct region on its own, neither fitting neatly into "the East" nor "the South-East". That though, brings about further confusion because people can't agree upon where "East Anglia" starts and finishes. There's no doubt that all of Norfolk and Suffolk falls within "East Anglia" but it's hard to agree upon which parts of Essex and Cambridgeshire should be included and whether any parts of Bedfordshire should be.

[gingejbee]

I think that a lot of people (including the national weather forecasters) think the same as jno....the South-West is not just Cornwall and Devon, but the whole S-W quarter of England and the southern part of Wales....similarly the S-E.

[jno]

people don't necessarily follow orders like that, Baldric. My sister lives in Essex but the Post Office insist she's in Herts.

Dividing a country with a straightforward line across the middle and another down the middle is a simple enough mental exercise and I suspect people can envisage it far more quickly that way, rather than looking at a map and wondering why so much of Anglia is either further south or further east than the South East.

[ladybirder]

Well Clacton is well north of London so that should not be included in the SE.

[Baldric]

The peoples lack of vision seems to be at fault in that case

[Buenchico]

I prefer this map to Baldric's one
http://www.britaingallery.com/images/england-regions.jpg
partly because, apart from the name of the television company, I've never heard anyone refer to 'Anglia' (rather than 'East Anglia') as a distinct region.

[Buenchico]

>>> Well Clacton is well north of London so that should not be included in the SE

That seems to imply that London should be taken as a 'central' point, from which to work out where the compass points lie. Apart from clearly being geographically incorrect, I suspect that there are plenty of Brummies who'd be extremely offended by the suggestion that London is the 'centre' of the England!

[jno]

not really, it depends what purpose your "map" is for. I assume the one you linked to is some sort of government deisgnation. But as I said, it doesn't suit the PO's purposes, and as Buenchico has said, it's no necessarily useful for meteorological purposes either.

As far as I'm concerned, London's in the south east, and I think most people would agree. But the idea that Watford is in Anglia, the same as Norwich, is just bizarre.

[jno]

sorry, that was responding to Baldric, not Buenchico.

[woofgang]

yes, it always annoys me that there is no designation of "south"

[zebo]

There's no real definition of any terms, most think that the North is the Leeds/Manchester axis, ignoring the 100+ miles between there and the Scottish border.

[bednobs]

I'm inwest Berkshire and we are not really south east or ssouth west but you don't often hear south Central mentioned

[Peter Pedant]

it sortta kinda where you are
everything above the bristol southampton line is North innit?

[Peter Pedant]

// most think that the North is the Leeds/Manchester axis,//
eek far north dear boy
Ultima thule and arctic etc

[Baldric]

Berkshire appears to be a part of the SE on both maps shown on this thread.

[pastafreak]

Is Suffolk considered downmarket compared to "the" Southeast?

[Tilly2]

What a fuss about nowt!