103,704 Deaths.

[malagabob]

103,704 deaths where covid has been mentioned.

[emmie]

up to a week ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

[emmie]

not sure that is more uptodate - but its a horrible amount whichever way one looks at it.

[bobbinwales]

yes, all the figures show around 100000 now in UK, whether its
-any reason within 28 days of positive test, or,
- or covid mentioned on death certificate
- or excess death's

In the long run we may find the figures were slightly overrecorded as we all know of people who would of died within the next few weeks and then got covid in hospital, so covid has just speeded up some deaths.
But it gives a good indicator of the size of the problem.

[emmie]

malagabob, were you just looking for links, or confirmation of those figures

[Spicerack]

Massively over recorded as will be revealed in time. (I'm sure)

[bobbinwales]

Not overrecorded by any significant amount.
But it will have obviosly brought forward some deaths so we may find by second half of 2021 deaths will start to be a little lower than previous years

[Ellipsis]

Excess deaths are not over-recorded. It's a plain number, nothing to do with cause.

[bobbinwales]

...agreed except excess deaths may fall later this year and next year as some of those who would of died later this year or next year actually died earlyer because of covid so ca'nt die again

[Ellipsis]

So Covid killed them early, just like everyone else it kills.

[Theland]

'' Death due to banging head after tripping over a Covid mask''

Yep! Add them all together!

[Spicerack]

The OP states excess deaths where covid has been mentioned Ellipses.
I know your default position is to disagree with me, but really....

[bobbinwales]

I agree ellipsis ... am just saying that they may fall. If you look at excess deaths over a 2 year period they may not be 100000 higher. Still bad but a death brought forward by a few months is maybe not as bad as one brought forward something like 30 years. The figures are right but its how we interpret them

[bobbinwales]

no your wrong spicerack- the OP doesnt mention excess deaths.
But all 3 measures show a very simlar figure

[Sunk]

In April when the Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington predicted such an outcome, they were called scaremongers.

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1702379.html


https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1702379.html

[bobbinwales]

Yes some cracking posts Gromit

[Spicerack]

No, you're right. It was Ellipses who first added the word Excess when replying/disagreeing with me.

[Ellipsis]

That's because your default position, Spicerack, is to make things up without evidence. Here is an example:

> Massively over recorded as will be revealed in time. (I'm sure)

What evidence do you have a) that they are over-recorded and b) that they are going to go back and re-record those deaths to remove the mention of Covid? It seems highly improbable.

The thing that makes it seem improbable is the fact that the three different measures in bobbinwales's 09:54 post are roughly in agreement, which is why I mentioned it.

[bobbinwales]

Those prejections were indeed rather good as Gromits old post in sunks links shows .
To be fair tho in the early days it was hard for the man/woman in the street to see what were coming tho and even scientist's werent all saying the same thing's. A just spotted this earlyer thread which shows that the very same Gromit was underplaying the risks early in the pandemic
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1694666.html

[Spicerack]

You're perfectly at liberty to disagree with me, again, Ellipses. And question why I think Covid deaths are over recorded.
Instead you chose to say 'Excess deaths are not over-recorded. It's a plain number, nothing to do with cause.'
Which as anyone can see is a different topic.

[Ellipsis]

Thanks.