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Cloud Cuckoo Land? Where Labour And The Limp Dums Absent On June 23Rd?
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It's already been put to the people! For F\S!
It's already been put to the people! For F\S!
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Not really sure what your point is, but then that's no surprise. This time he's talking about a General Election should Theresa May decide to seek a mandate for her particular version of Brexit, rather than whether it should go ahead or not. But then, in the unlikely event that this did happen and the Lib Dems, campaigning on a platform of staying in the EU, won, there'd be some interesting issues as to "which democracy wins?"
I've suggested in the past that a General Election might happen before, or immediately after, Brexit negotiations conclude and think that either version would be sensible. It is rather up to May, of course, but then why not at least try and get the opposition parties as ready as possible if she does try to trigger an early election?
I've suggested in the past that a General Election might happen before, or immediately after, Brexit negotiations conclude and think that either version would be sensible. It is rather up to May, of course, but then why not at least try and get the opposition parties as ready as possible if she does try to trigger an early election?
I prefer "hypothesising", in this instance at least. And anyway, I defy you to find a single example of a post where I've expressed a wish to block Brexit, or the like. Obviously I don't speak for all Remainers, but those I do speak to are largely in accord with the idea that, while wishing the result had gone the other way, the matter is settled for the near future and the result has to be honoured.
Wondering if there's a justification for May to [try to] call an early election doesn't undermine this. When I am drawing attention to the possibility of a "no Brexit" party winning, I'm mainly doing so to highlight the absurdities of our democracy that two parts of it could come into direct opposition to each other -- and then the question has to be which gains prevalence? I certainly don't expect it to be anything other than a hypothetical question, but it would be nice if people paid a little more attention to hypothetical flaws in our system and trying to fix these before they actually happen, rather than after.
For that matter, it's generally supposed that Labour as a force is broken in the near future, so it might even be in their interests to *block* an early election to try and protect their seats. Is this really how our democracy should work?
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But anyway. Returning to the topic, Corbyn, when he wins, has a responsibility to try and prepare the Labour party for all eventualities concerning elections. I don't think you need to worry about him threatening Brexit -- quite apart from his low prospects of winning in the first place, word on the street is often that he was in favour of leaving the EU all along, even during the recent campaign. So linking this to an attempt to block Brexit is bizarre, bordering on paranoid. No doubt some high-profile remainers would like to overturn the result, but they are in even more of a minority than Remainers as a whole, so you should stop complaining about it. It's their turn to moan and be ignored, if you like.
Wondering if there's a justification for May to [try to] call an early election doesn't undermine this. When I am drawing attention to the possibility of a "no Brexit" party winning, I'm mainly doing so to highlight the absurdities of our democracy that two parts of it could come into direct opposition to each other -- and then the question has to be which gains prevalence? I certainly don't expect it to be anything other than a hypothetical question, but it would be nice if people paid a little more attention to hypothetical flaws in our system and trying to fix these before they actually happen, rather than after.
For that matter, it's generally supposed that Labour as a force is broken in the near future, so it might even be in their interests to *block* an early election to try and protect their seats. Is this really how our democracy should work?
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But anyway. Returning to the topic, Corbyn, when he wins, has a responsibility to try and prepare the Labour party for all eventualities concerning elections. I don't think you need to worry about him threatening Brexit -- quite apart from his low prospects of winning in the first place, word on the street is often that he was in favour of leaving the EU all along, even during the recent campaign. So linking this to an attempt to block Brexit is bizarre, bordering on paranoid. No doubt some high-profile remainers would like to overturn the result, but they are in even more of a minority than Remainers as a whole, so you should stop complaining about it. It's their turn to moan and be ignored, if you like.
"in the unlikely event that this did happen and the Lib Dems, campaigning on a platform of staying in the EU, won, there'd be some interesting issues as to "which democracy wins"
In that unlikely event then the Liberals, as the largest party, would have the right to govern as they see fit, until the next election and sanity is restored; and we'd all have the right to ask for an investigation as to what the water company are adding to the water, assuming we could all think straight enough to put the sentence together.
In that unlikely event then the Liberals, as the largest party, would have the right to govern as they see fit, until the next election and sanity is restored; and we'd all have the right to ask for an investigation as to what the water company are adding to the water, assuming we could all think straight enough to put the sentence together.
OG > and we'd all have the right to ask for an investigation as to what the water company are adding to the water, assuming we could all think straight enough to put the sentence together.
That's not so daft as it sounds. When I got a letter from the Water Board warning of increased aluminium levels, I thought instantly it was the dastardly work of the Green Party.
That's not so daft as it sounds. When I got a letter from the Water Board warning of increased aluminium levels, I thought instantly it was the dastardly work of the Green Party.
We had a referendum on Europe in 1975 and voted to stay.
That did not stop people for years campaigning for a second referendum, on the basis that Europe had changed and somehow that voided the 1975 referendum vote.
I am sure that the same could apply. At the conclusion of the Brexit talks a new Treaty will have been hammered out, let''s call it the 'Compromise Treaty'. It could then be argued that the voters on June 23rd had rejected the Lisbon Treaty EU, but the the new Compromise Treaty EU is different to what was rejected.
If June 23rd set a president that change is a reason for rejecting an earlier referendum result, then surely every change thereafter can also be a reason for another referendum?
That did not stop people for years campaigning for a second referendum, on the basis that Europe had changed and somehow that voided the 1975 referendum vote.
I am sure that the same could apply. At the conclusion of the Brexit talks a new Treaty will have been hammered out, let''s call it the 'Compromise Treaty'. It could then be argued that the voters on June 23rd had rejected the Lisbon Treaty EU, but the the new Compromise Treaty EU is different to what was rejected.
If June 23rd set a president that change is a reason for rejecting an earlier referendum result, then surely every change thereafter can also be a reason for another referendum?
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