Illegal Abortions Based Solely On Gender.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-lost-girls-illegal-abortion-widely-used-by-some-uk-ethnic-groups-to-avoid-daughters-has-reduced-female-population-by-between-1500-and-4700-9059790.html

Why the discrepancies, could it be that there is something being covered up for some reason?

/// A government investigation last year found no evidence that women living in the UK, but born abroad, were preferentially aborting girls. ///

/// However, our deeper statistical analysis of data from the 2011 National Census has shown widespread discrepancies in the sex ratio of children in some immigrant families, which can only be easily explained by women choosing to abort female foetuses in the hope of becoming quickly pregnant again with a boy. ///

/// The findings will reignite the debate over whether pregnant women should be legally allowed to know the sex of their babies following ultrasound scans at 13 weeks..///

[jackthehat]

What do you believe is being covered up?

[emmie]

this is not limited to some groups in the UK, but in many parts of the world, it's why in China there is an imbalance in population of men to women, some men will never marry and carry on the family name, traditions, because there are not enough females to go around, same for some other cultures, don't just pick on some here, until women are valued, and not seen as a bloody nuisance, then we will continue to see this barbarity.

[ummmm]

I thought they didn't tell you the sex of the baby until the 20 week scan. It's not accurate at 12/13 weeks..

[browntrout]

Yep. this certainly paints a very depressing picture of life in the future. looks like a lot of men will have to do their own washing, ironing, cooking, cleaning, etc.

[Zeuhl]

The ultrasound is clearly having an effect but ultimately Nature will prevail.

Any population group with a shortage of females and disproportionate number of males will inevitably experience difficulties.

I would have thought people neurotic about population growth in certain ethnicities would be happy about this.

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

/// What do you believe is being covered up? ///

Well the difference between the Government investigation findings and the deeper statistical analysis of data from the 2011 National Census carried out by the Independent for starters.

Do I need to repeat what I have already asked?

[emmie]

browntrout, don't they already, the o/h did, he was a better housewife than me.

[jackthehat]

OK.......in that case, 'why' do you believe that something is being covered up?

[emmie]

zeuhl, the Chinese have found to their cost how doesn't work. And i wouldn't have thought anyone would be pleased some here are having illegal abortions.

[emmie]

this says it's easier to determine if its a boy

http://www.parents.com/pregnancy/my-baby/gender-prediction/finding-out-babys-sex/

[New Judge]

I am one of those who are neurotic about population growth among certain ethnicities, Zeuhl (at least, that’s what I’ve been told on here and elsewhere because of my concerns about unfettered immigration) but I also have concerns about this matter.

It needs to be told as it is. There is considerable evidence to suggest that gender-selective abortion is being widely practised in the UK and that it is to be found mainly among Asian communities. It is a despicable practice over which Nature will not prevail. I’m not particularly fussed about what happens elsewhere in the world but I expect the law in the UK to be upheld and not routinely broken with the complicity of professionals such as doctors.

The principle driver for this is that many in the Asian community view females as third-rate individuals that have little or no place in their families. If they are allowed to be born they are often treated appallingly. I once spoke to an Asian friend and was asking him about his brother’s circumstances. I asked if he had any children. “No” came the reply. But hastily appended was “Oh but he’s got two daughters”

It is this basic attitude that needs addressing and changing. And allowing people to abort children because they are female does nothing to assist with that.

[Zeuhl]

/Do I need to repeat what I have already asked? /

Well you haven't aog

You've changed the question

Your original OP asked /Why the discrepancies, could it be that there is something being covered up for some reason? /

So your topic wasn't a 'cover up' of the discrepancy but a 'cover up' of why they might exist.

jack's question was reasonable

your obfuscation and boorishness are not.

Try again

[emmie]

NJ, if it's illegal how is one to find out, if British doctors are complicit, then the rules, regulations should be tightened up. I would consider that changing attitudes is not one we should need to do, in this modern country of ours. If abortions are being carried out on gender alone then those doing the abortions should go to prison, i would have no problem with that at all.
My question about the Pope's stance on abortion raised a lot of issues,
not least that it shouldn't be for gender, eye colour or some frippery.
If Asian communities in UK don't won't more girls, then who are going to marry their sons.

[Zeuhl]

emmie

quite right - we already have laws to govern this

if it is happening (and happening in UK) then someone is breaking the Law and should be prosecuted

there must be files relating to all abortions carried out in the past x years

retrospective review of those cases will be possible

[Zeuhl]

/widespread discrepancies in the sex ratio of children in some immigrant families, which can only be easily explained by women choosing to abort female foetuses/

that begs the next sequential question; is there any evidence of a disproportionate number of abortions being carried out in some families and on what stated grounds?

[emmie]

but as in our own laws years ago on abortion proves backstreet abortions happened, so many because of archaic thinking. Now we have to convince those in these communities that it's wrong to do this, how many more things should we be doing, stop FGM, stop gender abortions, stop honour killings, stop underage marriages, seems to me that we shouldn't have to do this, this is a modern country, thinking, ways, our ways, and even if the people are born in UK, why do they think that it's right to continue on with these awful practices and get away with it.
We always seem to be educating others, until they learn, then the next group roll up with their ways of doing things, and so on, perhaps what's needed is a junior school, senior school college, university blitz on what's acceptable and legal, get to the children before they grow into adults and continue on the family traditions.

[emmie]

we are always been told off for foisting our imperialist, western, democratic, open mindsets on others across the globe, well let's stop doing that and start with some of the people on our shores.

[Sqad]

I have always been puzzled as to why a parent needs to know the sex of a child in utero.

Doctors, midwives, back street " experts" have always been performing illegal abortions and it is still happening.

I do not feel that the sex of a foetus is an indication for abortion.......

[emmie]

did you miss the point, they do so because they don't want girls.

[Sqad]

emmie....if that post was to me..........no, I understand the post.