TomTom
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(00:36 on Sun 06/Mar/05)
CORBYLOON thinking about it I do agree with you in what you are saying, il take back what I said, as I do have a lack of knowelege in this subject. I do think that uniforms should be kept tho, it looks a lot more like a school with kids in uniform all wearing the same. I just think all the children wearing different clothes doesnt look right somehow, and I do think that its an oppourtunity for less well of children to kind of be on par with the rest of the pupils.
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vinny200
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(00:48 on Sun 06/Mar/05)
Kempie,I do oplogise.But whats your point of view?
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smudge
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(03:13 on Sun 06/Mar/05)
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I shall stick to my views on the school uniform, for the reasons in my question & shan't be retracting on what I truly believe in. Everyone to their own!
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FP
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(04:20 on Sun 06/Mar/05)
The good thing about the site Smudge is that we can say what we truly believe in. We all respect each others' views, which is great and although we get heated at times there is no ill feeling afterwards.
I will always hate school uniforms :o)
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bernardo
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(05:53 on Sun 06/Mar/05)
"respect our culture" [sic] ?
Who is "our"? Who is "we"?
She is one of us; she is British; her Muslim culture is part of British culture. I agree with FP - as long as clothes are safe and tidy, it is OK. Uniform is an oppressive manifestation of the decadent imperialist bourgeoisie, designed to de-individualise pupils and prepare them for a lifetime of regimented wage-slavery within a hierarchicalist society, rather than allowing them to realise their potential as creative and productive individuals.
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Pootle
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(08:35 on Sun 06/Mar/05)
She has made a personal choice to wear the Jilbab as a sin of her faith. Fine, in this country, everybody has the right to practise their own religion. So if she is not forced to wear it, then surely it wont hurt not to wear it during school hours, she is after all allowed to wear the headscarve. This just another example of the litigious type of society we live and has absolutely nothing to do with personal religion. Futhermore, if you mention the words Islam or Muslim these days, everybody walks around on egg shells. What happens when the next girl goes to court claiming the right to wear to the full Burqa at school. Like the Satanist senario, you can't have one rule for one and not the other. (For the record, I'm not best mates with Lucifer and well past school age!) All this has done has further alienate Muslims from mainstream society.
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FP
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(10:18 on Sun 06/Mar/05)
Bernardo, I wish I had your way with words. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world and I too have conformed to a lifetime of regimented wage slavery! Usually when kids in schools are allowed to wear mufti they come in really suitably dressed and look neater and tidier. Kids, being kids, will always rebel and if there is nothing to rebel against they are more likely to settle down and wear 'suitable' clothing.
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smudge
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(11:33 on Sun 06/Mar/05)
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Yes it would be a boring world if we all had the same opinions. I still favour school uniforms. :0)
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vinny200
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(14:34 on Sun 06/Mar/05)
I Respect your point of view Barnardo.But I Think youve overdosed on the thoughts of Chairman MAO!!
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vinny200
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(14:36 on Sun 06/Mar/05)
sorry, bernardo, not barnardo.
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kempie
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(17:28 on Sun 06/Mar/05)
vinny200 - my point of view...
I believe that wearing school uniform is a good way of concentrating on education instead of pupils' appearance.
I believe that religion should be internal and not dependent on appearance.
I believe that religion may be to the betterment of mankind but institutional religion is only beneficial to those in charge of the institution.
This is my belief system.
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stevie21
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(19:21 on Sun 06/Mar/05)
This is another grey area that we could debate for decades. People in the UK are under pressure to be seen to be tolerant but any pressure on anyone from a traditionally non-UK culture to adapt to our customs can be seen as racist.
Even expecting immigrants to learn English is sometimes seen as racist! The UK is all the richer (economically, culturally etc.) for all of these people living here. I don't see it so much in my home city but I like the obvious influences visible in London of the African and Caribbean nations in particular.
Striking a balance is a tough one.
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THECORBYLOON
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(00:08 on Mon 07/Mar/05)
It's odd how a lot of folk expect foreigners to learn English when they come to the UK and yet the English abroad seem to think that by speaking English LOUDLY and slooooowly they instantly become understood by Johnny Foreigner.
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FP
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(00:22 on Mon 07/Mar/05)
Funnily enough, Corbyloon, I was just about to post something similar. I wondered how many Brits packing up to live on the Costas, etc. ever even think of learning the language. Not all, I realise, but most of them just live in British communities.
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smudge
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(10:13 on Mon 07/Mar/05)
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My question was asking whether the school uniform would evenyually be phased out (mainly in England).
Whilst I agree that some English people move abroad & don't bother to learn the Mother tongue, perhaps another thread would be better for a debate for that.
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Ducati
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(10:20 on Mon 07/Mar/05)
Is bernado Millie Tant from Viz? Certainly sounds like her.
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smudge
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(10:22 on Mon 07/Mar/05)
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Whoops - *eventually
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FP
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(11:01 on Mon 07/Mar/05)
Agreed Smudge. However, it became relevant due to Stevie21's posting which raised the issue of racism, and prompted the answers of how most brits expect everybody to confirm to our culture yet don't expect to do the same when they live in other peoples countries.
It might be worth you opening a new thread though!:o)
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smudge
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(11:11 on Mon 07/Mar/05)
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Hi FP - I know what you mean! It's easy for threads to innocently go off on a tangent, I've participated in the same myself!
I think I'll leave a 'Lanuage' thread to someone else though....! :0)
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