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happy st. georges day
MAY THE MORRIS MEN OF ENGLAND FILL YOUR ANGLO SAXON HEARTS WITH JOY ON THIS ST. GEORGES DAY. This message is not available in punjabi ,urdu,hindi,polish,swahili,arabic,gaelic,german, french,or any other immigrant tongue GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
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I don't think it is the Saint himself that people love, Mani.
It's the notion that there is a day when things English (rather than British, Scots, Irish, Welsh or European) can be celebrated. It's also that, in the homogenous mush that passes for England today, such thoughts must be suppressed, and the English never have liked being told what to do, even less being told what to think.
It's a shame you feel that "Pariotism (sic) is an outdated and backwards ideology". I wonder why the people in so many other countries all over the world do not share your views.
Perhaps they are all similarly backward.
It's the notion that there is a day when things English (rather than British, Scots, Irish, Welsh or European) can be celebrated. It's also that, in the homogenous mush that passes for England today, such thoughts must be suppressed, and the English never have liked being told what to do, even less being told what to think.
It's a shame you feel that "Pariotism (sic) is an outdated and backwards ideology". I wonder why the people in so many other countries all over the world do not share your views.
Perhaps they are all similarly backward.
You are happy for American culture (sic) to be adopted in England though?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASP
Most definitely.
The problem is any such celebrations will not appeal to all people in England, particularly (though not exclusively) those who have settled here from overseas. I can quite understand that. But, by the twisted logic that infests everything that is done, said or thought in the UK, because it does not appeal to everybody, it must not be encouraged for anybody. And that is where I part company with the PC brigade.
However you choose to define it, the vast, vast majority of people in England consider themselves �English�. Because some do not do so, any celebrations of Englishness are considered in some quarters (and, unfortunately in the quarters with the most to say for themselves) to be offensive.
The people of most countries in the world celebrate their identity, some more than others. To suggest that such celebrations are offensive to foreigners (whether visitors or residents) as happens here is the logic of lunacy.
The problem is any such celebrations will not appeal to all people in England, particularly (though not exclusively) those who have settled here from overseas. I can quite understand that. But, by the twisted logic that infests everything that is done, said or thought in the UK, because it does not appeal to everybody, it must not be encouraged for anybody. And that is where I part company with the PC brigade.
However you choose to define it, the vast, vast majority of people in England consider themselves �English�. Because some do not do so, any celebrations of Englishness are considered in some quarters (and, unfortunately in the quarters with the most to say for themselves) to be offensive.
The people of most countries in the world celebrate their identity, some more than others. To suggest that such celebrations are offensive to foreigners (whether visitors or residents) as happens here is the logic of lunacy.
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The old argument that St George isnt actually English is apparently reason enough for us not to celebrate.
St Patrick - only lived in Ireland (as a slave) for 6 years.
St Andrew - The brother of St. Peter, never even set foot in Scotland
St David is the only British patron saint to actually been born and spent any great length of time in his country.
It may be also worth noting that all other 3 patron saints are shared by other countries across the world, along with St. George.
Lets not get too hung up on this and celebrate our Englishness whatever colour, creed or religion.
St Patrick - only lived in Ireland (as a slave) for 6 years.
St Andrew - The brother of St. Peter, never even set foot in Scotland
St David is the only British patron saint to actually been born and spent any great length of time in his country.
It may be also worth noting that all other 3 patron saints are shared by other countries across the world, along with St. George.
Lets not get too hung up on this and celebrate our Englishness whatever colour, creed or religion.
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No, what I'm saying is that there is no reason whatsoever that St. George's Day should exclude 'non-English' people. And I'm not talking about new immigrants per se. I'm talking about second and third generation immigrants.
St. George's Day should absoluletly be made a 'whole of England' thing, and that's got bog all to do with any notion of PC (how could it be...seriously?)
True, not everyone will want to join in, but the moment you shout "Oi, everyone...we're going to have a day of celebration like the Irish do, and you're all included", you immediately take the initiative away from fools who say "This message is not available in..."
You see the difference?
No, what I'm saying is that there is no reason whatsoever that St. George's Day should exclude 'non-English' people. And I'm not talking about new immigrants per se. I'm talking about second and third generation immigrants.
St. George's Day should absoluletly be made a 'whole of England' thing, and that's got bog all to do with any notion of PC (how could it be...seriously?)
True, not everyone will want to join in, but the moment you shout "Oi, everyone...we're going to have a day of celebration like the Irish do, and you're all included", you immediately take the initiative away from fools who say "This message is not available in..."
You see the difference?
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Booldawg
Bang on. Anyone who wants to exclude anyone who is English (no matter their racial background) is ensuring that St. George's Day is never properly celebrated, because it will be viewed as intrinsically 'dodgy'.
The moment you make it inclusive, people will be jumping all over the bandwagon to celebrate the day.....like they do with St. Patricks Day...like they do in the US on Presidents' Day.
Pity sp few people have the common sense (like our local publican) to state openly "This is a day for everyone to celebrate all things English (and by that he means all things English.
Bang on. Anyone who wants to exclude anyone who is English (no matter their racial background) is ensuring that St. George's Day is never properly celebrated, because it will be viewed as intrinsically 'dodgy'.
The moment you make it inclusive, people will be jumping all over the bandwagon to celebrate the day.....like they do with St. Patricks Day...like they do in the US on Presidents' Day.
Pity sp few people have the common sense (like our local publican) to state openly "This is a day for everyone to celebrate all things English (and by that he means all things English.
I did hear once that Morris dancing was originally Moorish dancing, and therefore Islamic.... possibly untrue but actually that would be an excellent choice to celebrate a saint who would probably have been a Muslim if he'd been born in Turkey a few centuries later.
Is it dragons he's supposed to save the queen from? That sounds like a workload that would be almost as heavy as an MP's.
Is it dragons he's supposed to save the queen from? That sounds like a workload that would be almost as heavy as an MP's.
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