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seen that gordon brown may put petrol prices up to pay for school improvements, he sais that in china and the like they have thousands upon thousands of graduates each each but we have remarkably less, who else thinks that its maybe because this country is so welcoming to them and from other countries that thier arent any jobs left for our graduates and so they cant see any reason to further the education, no jobs at the end of all the had work??
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Is this a "they're coming over here stealing all our jobs" thread?
Maybe you should read this first:
http://www.prospects.ac.uk/cms/ShowPage/Home_p age/Labour_market_information/Graduate_Market_ Trends/Ethnicity_and_graduates__early_outcomes _Winter_05_06_/p!edcbFXe
Here are the 3 summary points:
White graduates were more likely than those from minority ethnic groups to be in full-time paid work and less likely to be unemployed six months following graduation.
Minority ethnic graduates were more likely than their White counterparts to be in non-graduate jobs, although they were also more likely to be in traditional graduate occupations, and to have reported that their degree was a formal requirement in obtaining their employment.
Minority ethnic graduates tend to concentrate in London � as locations of domicile, study and employment.
Doesn't sound as if they're stealing all our graduate positions to me!
Maybe you should read this first:
http://www.prospects.ac.uk/cms/ShowPage/Home_p age/Labour_market_information/Graduate_Market_ Trends/Ethnicity_and_graduates__early_outcomes _Winter_05_06_/p!edcbFXe
Here are the 3 summary points:
White graduates were more likely than those from minority ethnic groups to be in full-time paid work and less likely to be unemployed six months following graduation.
Minority ethnic graduates were more likely than their White counterparts to be in non-graduate jobs, although they were also more likely to be in traditional graduate occupations, and to have reported that their degree was a formal requirement in obtaining their employment.
Minority ethnic graduates tend to concentrate in London � as locations of domicile, study and employment.
Doesn't sound as if they're stealing all our graduate positions to me!
just go into your local hospital and look at the docs, nurses etc, , i didnt say they were taking all the well paid jobs, day after day we see our graduates qualify but cant get jobs, how many times have you been to see a professional and havent been able to completley understand them? of course this is only my opinion to which i am entitled
Gina, the inference of your first post was that "the immigrants" were taking all the graduate entry jobs, leaving none available for our graduates.This in turn meant that kids weren't furthering their education because there would be no jobs available to them at the end of the course.
No objective evidence of this has been produced that I am aware of. Most studies would indicate precisely the opposite, in fact.
As you say though, you are entitled to your opinion.
No objective evidence of this has been produced that I am aware of. Most studies would indicate precisely the opposite, in fact.
As you say though, you are entitled to your opinion.
You're entitled to your opinion but if you base it merely on personal experience it's rather limited.
Note for example that last summary point I mentioned.
If you live in London and that's where your experience is based you will have an opinion which is not necessarily relevant to the country as a whole.
Note for example that last summary point I mentioned.
If you live in London and that's where your experience is based you will have an opinion which is not necessarily relevant to the country as a whole.
We have loads of graduates..... sure I saw a statistic somewhere which suggested something like 45% or so? Its also true to say that we still have an underperforming education system... I saw a recent report showing a high level of innumeracy and illiteracy amongst the existing workforce.
What proportion of the unemployed are graduates?A very small proportion according to the last surveys I saw. No one is guaranteed a job at the end of their study, but certainly having a degree is far more likely to get you a job than not having one.
As far as I can tell, GB is talking about levying additional tax on petrol to pay for massive investment into all elements of the educational infrastructure, but particularly into capital investment.. an area that sorely needs it. As to why, the argument goes that we are a high standard of living country in competition with emerging economies around the world. If we wish to sustain that high standard of living, our workforce has to offer something more , and education is key to that.
What proportion of the unemployed are graduates?A very small proportion according to the last surveys I saw. No one is guaranteed a job at the end of their study, but certainly having a degree is far more likely to get you a job than not having one.
As far as I can tell, GB is talking about levying additional tax on petrol to pay for massive investment into all elements of the educational infrastructure, but particularly into capital investment.. an area that sorely needs it. As to why, the argument goes that we are a high standard of living country in competition with emerging economies around the world. If we wish to sustain that high standard of living, our workforce has to offer something more , and education is key to that.
There is a severe shortage of graduates in numerate disciplines Physics and Chemistry departments are closing down all over the place. Reading shut it's physics department this week.
This seems to be due to a lack of demand from students for the courses.
We are clearly failing to inspire our school children to take up scientific disciplines - I don't know if it's seen as unglamorous or too hard or what.
I know there's a real shortage of science teachers and I guess you can't blame a maths teacher forced to teach physics for being uninspiring but it's a vicious circle and until it's sorted out we'll continue to fill these vacancies from countries that care about technical subjects and aren't flooding the country with English graduates. (there are currently 40,000 English students in the pipeline)
Look at this:
http://www.employment-studies.co.uk/summary/su mmary.php?id=399
More social economic and political studies than Engineering and technology, more creative arts than computer science
Where I work we cannot get enough qualified staff from the UK, we recruit from all over Europe and even from India and beyond.
If the UK were not so welcoming we would be unable to keep the site running and I and the other British workers here would have to go find other jobs.
This is how the world works in 2006
This seems to be due to a lack of demand from students for the courses.
We are clearly failing to inspire our school children to take up scientific disciplines - I don't know if it's seen as unglamorous or too hard or what.
I know there's a real shortage of science teachers and I guess you can't blame a maths teacher forced to teach physics for being uninspiring but it's a vicious circle and until it's sorted out we'll continue to fill these vacancies from countries that care about technical subjects and aren't flooding the country with English graduates. (there are currently 40,000 English students in the pipeline)
Look at this:
http://www.employment-studies.co.uk/summary/su mmary.php?id=399
More social economic and political studies than Engineering and technology, more creative arts than computer science
Where I work we cannot get enough qualified staff from the UK, we recruit from all over Europe and even from India and beyond.
If the UK were not so welcoming we would be unable to keep the site running and I and the other British workers here would have to go find other jobs.
This is how the world works in 2006
Gina, you obviously have an issue with immigration. You first claim they are depriving our graduates of jobs, then you say that your husband has had to change his working hours pattern.
I am curious particularly with respect to the second point, because I cannot understand why the working hours would need to be changed, so I wanted to know what your husband did.
So what does he do, and what were the working hours originally, and what have they been change to?
I am curious particularly with respect to the second point, because I cannot understand why the working hours would need to be changed, so I wanted to know what your husband did.
So what does he do, and what were the working hours originally, and what have they been change to?
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