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Is Devolution A Disaster?
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I agree Tora, her hatred of the English is there for people to see and comes through our tv screens like talons
09:33 Tue 17th Nov 2020
//Scotland doesn’t do so badly from the rest of us - and the Scots voted for Sturgeon and her motley crew so I guess that's who they want.//
Yes, that's true, we do want NS and that's why we voted her in as First Minister. When I look at the shambles that Westminster is under a shambling, lying idiot who goes into hiding when the going gets tough I think we made the right decision.
Can't really understand why, if the English, (or a small minority on here) think Scotland is such a drain on resources they're not jumping through hoops that we want to leave.
Correct that all Scots didn't vote for independence, but then all English didn't vote to leave the EU - or elect Mr Shambles.
Away to work now so will catch up with erudite comments later.
Yes, that's true, we do want NS and that's why we voted her in as First Minister. When I look at the shambles that Westminster is under a shambling, lying idiot who goes into hiding when the going gets tough I think we made the right decision.
Can't really understand why, if the English, (or a small minority on here) think Scotland is such a drain on resources they're not jumping through hoops that we want to leave.
Correct that all Scots didn't vote for independence, but then all English didn't vote to leave the EU - or elect Mr Shambles.
Away to work now so will catch up with erudite comments later.
maggie: "Can't really understand why, if the English, (or a small minority on here) think Scotland is such a drain on resources they're not jumping through hoops that we want to leave. " - as we say every time and it never seems to sink in, give the whole of the UK the vote and you'll be cleaning Barnier's kasi before you can say "freeedoooom"!
Maggiebee, Whether a vote encompasses the whole country or just Scotland you're not really big on democracy, are you - unless it goes your way. Oddly enough, I don’t want to subsidise Scotland but we can't always have what we want. That's life.
Incidentally, you were 'dragged along' by Wales too. Sensible people, the Welsh.
Incidentally, you were 'dragged along' by Wales too. Sensible people, the Welsh.
Maggie //ENGLAND votes to leave the EU - Scotland want to stay. England get their own way.
SCOTLAND wants to break free from England. Westminster don't want it. England gets their own way?//
This is the wrong way round. England didn't get a choice in the Independence vote. It was the Scots who wanted to stay and be part of the UK.
The UK voted to leave, which includes Scotland, at their own choice.
You are calling it backwards. Both were democratic decisions, so it isn't the case that "Scotland wants to break free from England". They were officially asked and said no.
SCOTLAND wants to break free from England. Westminster don't want it. England gets their own way?//
This is the wrong way round. England didn't get a choice in the Independence vote. It was the Scots who wanted to stay and be part of the UK.
The UK voted to leave, which includes Scotland, at their own choice.
You are calling it backwards. Both were democratic decisions, so it isn't the case that "Scotland wants to break free from England". They were officially asked and said no.
"Maggiebee, //we want to leave. //
'We' is you. Scotland has been asked. Scotland said 'No'. Did you not hear it?"
It was quite a small margin, so Maggiebee may well represent the 45% who wanted independence. That portion is now suggested to have grown to 58%.
With the Tory incompetence that has occurred since then, I'd be happy for the First Miniature to test the vote again.
'We' is you. Scotland has been asked. Scotland said 'No'. Did you not hear it?"
It was quite a small margin, so Maggiebee may well represent the 45% who wanted independence. That portion is now suggested to have grown to 58%.
With the Tory incompetence that has occurred since then, I'd be happy for the First Miniature to test the vote again.
> No matter what Scotland voted for in the EU Referendum (and they voted to remain in the EU) the population differences would always favour the much larger English vote.
Sadly, that is not true. If more people in Scotland had voted Remain, and/or fewer had voted Leave, the UK would have remained. The difference was only 4%, a 2% shift towards Leave.
Sadly, that is not true. If more people in Scotland had voted Remain, and/or fewer had voted Leave, the UK would have remained. The difference was only 4%, a 2% shift towards Leave.
//It was quite a small margin, so Maggiebee may well represent the 45% who wanted independence. That portion is now suggested to have grown to 58%.//
It's still a majority, and that is all a referendum needs. Without another, it's irrelevant really, who "suggests" what.
Ironically, if Scotland wanted independence then... they most likely would have achieved it... but needed English and Welsh support, which wasn't allowed. Says it all really.
It's still a majority, and that is all a referendum needs. Without another, it's irrelevant really, who "suggests" what.
Ironically, if Scotland wanted independence then... they most likely would have achieved it... but needed English and Welsh support, which wasn't allowed. Says it all really.
Slightly debatable, jackdaw...
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Yes.
It treated each country differently. So now each country's citizens are treated differently.
It means it's difficult to get a common nationwide response when needed.
It gives those determined to split up the nation, a foothold.
It's difficult to justify the expense.
And worst of all, some areas have used PR instead of democratically electing the most favoured individual.
It treated each country differently. So now each country's citizens are treated differently.
It means it's difficult to get a common nationwide response when needed.
It gives those determined to split up the nation, a foothold.
It's difficult to justify the expense.
And worst of all, some areas have used PR instead of democratically electing the most favoured individual.
> It's still a majority, and that is all a referendum needs.
A referendum doesn't need anything. It's just a vote. You then choose what to do with the results of that vote. The Scots should learn from the Brexit fiasco. You don't split your country based on the mood of the day and a very marginal decision. A 52% vote for independence is not really enough ... it should be more like 66%. As somebody put it once, my golf club has a better system for changing its constitution.
A referendum doesn't need anything. It's just a vote. You then choose what to do with the results of that vote. The Scots should learn from the Brexit fiasco. You don't split your country based on the mood of the day and a very marginal decision. A 52% vote for independence is not really enough ... it should be more like 66%. As somebody put it once, my golf club has a better system for changing its constitution.
