Would You Be Happy ? M&s Changing Room Policy

[Bobbisox1]

Sharing a dressing room with the opposite sex?
Again is this a case of ‘ pandering to the minority’ ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/marks-spencer-changing-rooms-gender-women-men-a9180391.html

[pixie374]

Everyone has those rights, spath. What are their "different" rights? Or what should they be, in your opinion?

I mean, different from the rest of the population. I am obviously well aware of the rights we all have.

[pixie374]

I can't imagine that a single person is suggesting that trans people should not be treated equally, the same as everyone else. It is the 'extra rights' I am asking you about.

[Bobbisox1]

‘Get a Chaperone’
You crack me up Spath

[spathiphyllum]

Did you not read "public accommodations"?

This is what this entire thread is about.

The fact you're denying them rights to public accommodations is transphobic.

[andres]

So as long as they are dressed as women will it be alright for them to use the womens changing rooms?
But not all men are trans gender ,some are cross dressers, transexuals or transvestites. Will they all be allowed entrance to the women's changing rooms?

[pixie374]

I am not denying a single person any rights whatsoever. There are male rooms for men, female rooms for women. They have a place.
Now, which right is it, which says they should also be allowed to take over ours, or yours?

[spathiphyllum]

OK pixie so you're denying that they're a woman in a mans body or vise versa?

[pixie374]

There's not a lot of difference there, Andre's. Even transsexuals, who have had full operations and hormones (around 2%) still know they are male. But transsexuals have historically always been very well accepted by women, this is something else though.

[naomi24]

Spath, why are you so sure that all the men who want to use female facilities are ‘trans’? Men trying on bras could well be
transvestites – plenty of those are heterosexual - or they could be just plain creepy. Are you happy with that too? You have no idea who or what they are – and neither do the women and children who are obliged to share what should be a personal space with them.

[pixie374]

Can you explain that, please, spath? That makes no sense what you have put.
A woman is a female (only X chromosomes).
A man is a male (a Y somewhere).
Obviously you know this already... so please explain what you actually mean.

[spathiphyllum]

As a cis woman i'm not sure how you can even begin to fathom the perception of someone who feels they have been born the wrong gender.

[spathiphyllum]

Pixie, that answer proves, you're denying that trans people even exist. How on earth can we discuss this? It's futile.

[New Judge]

Let's get back to some rational debate. So these rights, then, spathi. Whether you like it or not (and as is evident here) many people would feel uncomfortable at sharing a changing space - be it in M&S or a swimming pool - with members of the opposite sex (note "sex", not "gender"). Are you suggesting that their discomfort - however irrational or distasteful you find it - should be brushed aside so that the "rights" of a very small minority of the population can be easily accommodated? What if changing facilities were provided as I suggested earlier (on the basis of M/F/Prefer not to say)? Would that satisfy the rights you speak of? Or do you really think it's acceptable to make those who are uncomfortable with the idea, share changing facilities with the opposite sex?

[steg]

It wouldn’t bother me, women will just have to learn to control themselves when I’m in trying on new clothes

[douglas9401]

If you just drop the 50p in the collection tin for the charidee of your choice, spatho, it'll save on postage. :-)

[spathiphyllum]

No point discussing this with people who don't understand that their are mental attributes to trans.

The physical is influenced by the psychological, something you've just shown you have no concern for in your flippant comments.

[spathiphyllum]

Douglass I'll send you a tom kitten one.

[pixie374]

I didn't say that at all, spath. Please actually read, and don't presume. I asked you to explain to me.