Vince Cable Still Bleating On About 'exit From Brexit'!

[saintpeter48]

Just saw him on the news and the first thing he said was that the British public should be asked if we want an exit from brexit, what part of the referendum doesn't he understand.
May I remind you Mr Cable, the British public were asked that question over a year ago, the answer was OUT.
You are a dinosaur and a backwards step by the Lib Dems!!

[cassa333]

Perhaps his age means that his memory isn't as good as it used to be.

Perhaps he has early onset!!

[ichkeria]

He's right, although it will take a while for some people to see it :-)

[emmie]

at 74 i thought he should have retired by now, or been retired by his party.

[fiction-factory]

I think it's too late to do what Vince Cable wants. If we are trying to negotiate the terms of Brexit we surely need to say we are leaving and will walk away at the end. If we say we will have a vote on whether to accept the terms on the table after 2 years or remain in the EU I think there is a very strong chance that the EU will only offer a bad deal in the hope hat our resultant referendum results in a Remain vote

[gulliver1]

You bet he is right and so is Tony Blair, think about it, united we stand divided we fall. that is what Thesesa May is trying to say to her back stabbing Kitchen Cabinet, she will fall because the Tories are divided,

[Hopkirk]

The Lib Dems haven't realised that part of the reason their vote went down at the election was that not many agree with calls for a second referendum. They have democrat in their name but not their policy.

[gulliver1]

And what age are you then emmie, probably not as young looking as your avatar, are you retired?

[jourdain2]

No point arguing with people who don't understand the importance of Democracy..

[ToraToraTora]

ahh the nasty wasty publicy wublicy gave the "wrong" answer. Let's keep asking till we get the "right" answer shall we!

[jim360]

I would have thought that one of the cornerstones of a democracy is that the losers never have to shut up and are always free to fight their case.

[ToraToraTora]

yes jim and the winners get the right to stop the losers trying to somehow invalidate the result. You know, toss a coin oh dear, surely it's best of three! PMSL!

[jim360]

The result has already been validated. A second vote doesn't invalidate it, especially if the question is different.

And besides, in a little under two years' time we'll know more about what leaving the EU would mean. I am not sure if the answer would actually be different but the circumstances certainly would be.

The basic paradox is that you are saying it's antidemocratic to ask the people to vote. Clearly this is a nonsense. It's antidemocratic to tell them that they already did and they can lump it from now on. Some voters in 2016 are dead now, while others who couldn't vote before now can, so it's a different electorate.

[jim360]

I suppose I should add that I'd accept that a series of referenda saying "Should the UK leave the EU?", "Are you sure?", "No, really, honest, are you really sure?", "Stop messing with me now, you don't want to leave do you?", etc, etc, while absolutely nothing happens to advance leaving in between times, *would* be undemocratic. But we voted to leave, and Parliament has enacted legislation to implement that, and the Government has set out to negotiate our exit as a result. So the scenario you are worrying about is categorically not what's on offer, nor would it be if Vince cable had his way.

As another point, he was returned to Parliament offering exactly this view, so he's representing his constituents and those who voted for the Lib Dems across the country. They happen to be in a significant minority, but still he is representing their views as is his democratic duty.

etc, etc. This is how democracy works; no argument is ever settled forever, nor should it be.

[Hopkirk]

Tosh

[jim360]

Oh. Well I guess that argument is settled forever then.

[Hopkirk]

Would you be saying the same thing if remain had won and the Brexiteers were pushing for a second referendum? Of course not.

[jim360]

We can't ever know, but perhaps I can point to what I was saying before the referendum as a guide? I actually *wanted* a referendum, because I thought the people had the right to have a say on EU membership.

Yes, I'm speaking now from the privileged position of being on the losing side, but you don't need to go far on this side to find me defending the rights of opponents to have fair representation.

[saintpeter48]

So then, what you remoaners are saying is that we should have another vote, utter tosh!!!
I didn't vote for this shambles of a Tory coalition of chaos, can I have another GE please, and if I still don't get what I want can I have another GE the following week, oh, and if that vote doesn't work in my favour can we have another one the following week!!!

[jim360]

"I didn't vote for this shambles of a Tory coalition of chaos, can I have another GE please..."

You mean, like the one you'll get within the next five years?

[youngmafbog]

Jim, you have no idea what will happen in the next five years.

One thing is for sure you can guarantee the Tory been counters are going though Labours manifesto, sorry its just now aspirational wish list now, with real figures that Corbyn will have to face. Secondly you can be it wont be weak May he faces.

As for Cable, as right-on liberal he will never grasp democracy.