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A Fitting Monument To One Of The Greatest Prime Ministers Of The 20Th Century
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Typical Thatcher thread were facts are ignored
I have only skimmed through but the question of why she was voted in in again and again ...
Everyone seems to be ignoring the facts over the
Falklands 'invasion' that became a 'conflict' that ended up being a 'war'
I can't be arsed to once again go over what really happened here, I have had my say on other threads.
I have only skimmed through but the question of why she was voted in in again and again ...
Everyone seems to be ignoring the facts over the
Falklands 'invasion' that became a 'conflict' that ended up being a 'war'
I can't be arsed to once again go over what really happened here, I have had my say on other threads.
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“She should have been hung for treason and would have been if Labour had given full backing to Scargill, Robinson, Hatton, Jimmy Reid etc.”
I don’t really know if you’re being serious (I never know when Labour supporters go on about Mrs Thatcher). But if you are I believe it is most unlikely. Capital Punishment for murder had been formally abolished in Great Britain in 1969 (and in fact had not been utilised since 1964) and in Northern Ireland in 1973. Whilst it is true that the death penalty remained available for treason (and a few other offences) until 1998 nobody had been sentenced to death for any of them since 1945. I suggest it is fanciful to suggest that a former Prime Minister may have been sent to the gallows for treason (and I suggest you examine the difference between treason and taking some political decisions with which a few people disagreed).
“…does anybody still think that the NHS is safe in Tory hands ?”
I don't know what that has to do with this question but the NHS is not safe in any politicians’ hands. It needs root and branch reform, it must revisit what it can be expected to fund and what it cannot and people must be prepared to pay for a lot of healthcare that they currently receive “free”.
“A mere handful of people made ludicrous amounts of money at the expense of whole communities and industries when they were allowed to sell them off for vast profits.”
I made money out of Mrs Thatcher’s policies. Not ludicrous amounts but amounts in proportion to the amount I risked. It was a change of philosophy. Prior to Mrs Thatcher’s government most people could only make money by working. Since then it has been possible to do so by astute investment. To suggest that her motives were purely for gain is to completely misunderstand the lady’s psyche.
As far as coal mining is concerned the people in mining communities across the UK should thank Mrs T from the bottom of their hearts. She allowed them to be free of what must be one of the most unpleasant, dangerous and unrewarding jobs imaginable. She broke the cycle of “My dad’s a miner, so was his dad before him, so I’m going down the pit” endured by so many miners’ sons. She allowed wives and mothers to be free of worrying whether their husbands and sons would return safely home from work that evening or whether they'd spend the next few days at the pithead waiting for the bodies to be brought out. Apart from that she had the foresight to encourage the country to stop burning so much coal (an achievement which Mikey lauded only a week or two ago when he proudly announced that the nation had lasted a day without consuming any electricity produced from coal). No longer do men in the UK have to get up knowing they are going to spend eight hours sweating their cobblers off surrounded by dust and filth in a black hole and that is thanks to Mrs Thatcher. That alone deserves a statue.
I don’t really know if you’re being serious (I never know when Labour supporters go on about Mrs Thatcher). But if you are I believe it is most unlikely. Capital Punishment for murder had been formally abolished in Great Britain in 1969 (and in fact had not been utilised since 1964) and in Northern Ireland in 1973. Whilst it is true that the death penalty remained available for treason (and a few other offences) until 1998 nobody had been sentenced to death for any of them since 1945. I suggest it is fanciful to suggest that a former Prime Minister may have been sent to the gallows for treason (and I suggest you examine the difference between treason and taking some political decisions with which a few people disagreed).
“…does anybody still think that the NHS is safe in Tory hands ?”
I don't know what that has to do with this question but the NHS is not safe in any politicians’ hands. It needs root and branch reform, it must revisit what it can be expected to fund and what it cannot and people must be prepared to pay for a lot of healthcare that they currently receive “free”.
“A mere handful of people made ludicrous amounts of money at the expense of whole communities and industries when they were allowed to sell them off for vast profits.”
I made money out of Mrs Thatcher’s policies. Not ludicrous amounts but amounts in proportion to the amount I risked. It was a change of philosophy. Prior to Mrs Thatcher’s government most people could only make money by working. Since then it has been possible to do so by astute investment. To suggest that her motives were purely for gain is to completely misunderstand the lady’s psyche.
As far as coal mining is concerned the people in mining communities across the UK should thank Mrs T from the bottom of their hearts. She allowed them to be free of what must be one of the most unpleasant, dangerous and unrewarding jobs imaginable. She broke the cycle of “My dad’s a miner, so was his dad before him, so I’m going down the pit” endured by so many miners’ sons. She allowed wives and mothers to be free of worrying whether their husbands and sons would return safely home from work that evening or whether they'd spend the next few days at the pithead waiting for the bodies to be brought out. Apart from that she had the foresight to encourage the country to stop burning so much coal (an achievement which Mikey lauded only a week or two ago when he proudly announced that the nation had lasted a day without consuming any electricity produced from coal). No longer do men in the UK have to get up knowing they are going to spend eight hours sweating their cobblers off surrounded by dust and filth in a black hole and that is thanks to Mrs Thatcher. That alone deserves a statue.
True judge...speaking as an ex miner by the way Clarion. Plus just think the green lobby must revere her. She was the first politician to set in motion the environmentally aware policies that are sooo pc these days. Get rid of all the nasty coal burning habits that we had become manacled to and make the world a better and cleaner place for miners and the general public. :))
NJ...get your facts straight. It wasn't me that "proudly announced that the nation had lasted a day without consuming any electricity produced from coal"
Yes, of course coal mining is dirty and sometimes dangerous, and so is working in steel mills, tin plate mills, and a thousand other manual jobs. We might not need coal today, but we did for many ears after the mines were closed, and we still need most of the produce of those other manual industries.
But what we now do is to import most of that produce, and import unemployment alongside.
If you ask people in areas where large manual works used to be, whether they would prefer to be on the dole for a generation or two, or would they rather be working, they will say that they would rather work.
Yes, of course coal mining is dirty and sometimes dangerous, and so is working in steel mills, tin plate mills, and a thousand other manual jobs. We might not need coal today, but we did for many ears after the mines were closed, and we still need most of the produce of those other manual industries.
But what we now do is to import most of that produce, and import unemployment alongside.
If you ask people in areas where large manual works used to be, whether they would prefer to be on the dole for a generation or two, or would they rather be working, they will say that they would rather work.
I never understood why she resigned. She had well over half of support from Tory MPs. Under the arcane election rules at the time she was 4 votes short of outright victory. I could never see Heseltine winning the second ballot. She may of course have lost the subsequent election, which would have spared us Major but given us Kinnock!
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