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One has to empathise with them, the thought of a long missing daughter and now this, what can only be guessed an enormous legal bill to face?
Should they appeal?
One has to empathise with them, the thought of a long missing daughter and now this, what can only be guessed an enormous legal bill to face?
Should they appeal?
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Dazzleflash makes a good point - we do need to take the emotion (and repeating of facts) out of the thread if we are to get any meaningful response, as opposed to people simply repeating their positions over and over.
I don't believe the McCanns have reasonable grounds for an appeal - and that it would be throwing good money after bad, and do their cause for support from the Portuguese legal system and police no good at all.
It speaks to one of my daily mantras in life - never upset someone whose co-operation you need.
I understand that the McCanns feel aggrieved and under attack for someone putting into print the notion that they may have had involvement in their daughter's disappearance, but it will do no good to waste funds raised to try and find her in fighting an probably unwinnable appeal. Better to let it go, and concentrate on their on-going efforts to try and find out what has happened to their child.
As a footnote to the point about European restaurants - they have always been well ahead of the British in terms of welcoming children to eat with their families - something my wife and I have done for many years. When we took our daughters with us to English restaurants, there was always an atmosphere, making us feel they were not welcome.
There's a simple reason for that - the Europeans love and embrace family life and being together, and that extends to eating together, the British have always harboured the idea that eating out is for 'grown-ups', and children are not really expected to attend. It is slowly improving as our children's generation are now parents, but it has taken time.
I don't believe the McCanns have reasonable grounds for an appeal - and that it would be throwing good money after bad, and do their cause for support from the Portuguese legal system and police no good at all.
It speaks to one of my daily mantras in life - never upset someone whose co-operation you need.
I understand that the McCanns feel aggrieved and under attack for someone putting into print the notion that they may have had involvement in their daughter's disappearance, but it will do no good to waste funds raised to try and find her in fighting an probably unwinnable appeal. Better to let it go, and concentrate on their on-going efforts to try and find out what has happened to their child.
As a footnote to the point about European restaurants - they have always been well ahead of the British in terms of welcoming children to eat with their families - something my wife and I have done for many years. When we took our daughters with us to English restaurants, there was always an atmosphere, making us feel they were not welcome.
There's a simple reason for that - the Europeans love and embrace family life and being together, and that extends to eating together, the British have always harboured the idea that eating out is for 'grown-ups', and children are not really expected to attend. It is slowly improving as our children's generation are now parents, but it has taken time.
Being momentarily distracted is hardly the same as leaving children on their own intentionally. As for the book, what would initiate a Police officer to write it? It was clearly written within the Laws of Portugal and the Mcganns have no grounds for appeal. Why did Portuguese police play down reports that traces of blood was found in her parents' hire car DNA evidence showing 100% match to Madeleine .?
Morning, Minty my friend....... you are spot on.
These threads have done this every time the McCanns have come up in conversation, half having a fit because the other half view this whole case with scepticism.
We've buried two children and that loss is something you never get over but you carry on and deal quietly with your grief. It also gives you a sense of perspective in situations like this, you have lost children and that leads to a certain overview in life, you protect what you have to a far deeper degree than you normally would.
That sense of the reality of losing children means that the McCanns have never sat right with me or the myriad of explanations or their implied victim status or any of it, it's nothing to do with their personal status though that has undoubtedly helped them but the simple fact that as a parent you do everything possible to protect and nurture your offspring, they were responsible for leaving them, that really is the trigger for my views.
They seem to have an absolute sense of entitlement which means that years later they are still demanding media time and police time to solve this in a case which ordinarily would have been scaled back massively as most others of this nature have been.
All that being said, i can empathise with anyone losing a child but that empathy rapidly disappears when you don't strive to protect them.
These threads have done this every time the McCanns have come up in conversation, half having a fit because the other half view this whole case with scepticism.
We've buried two children and that loss is something you never get over but you carry on and deal quietly with your grief. It also gives you a sense of perspective in situations like this, you have lost children and that leads to a certain overview in life, you protect what you have to a far deeper degree than you normally would.
That sense of the reality of losing children means that the McCanns have never sat right with me or the myriad of explanations or their implied victim status or any of it, it's nothing to do with their personal status though that has undoubtedly helped them but the simple fact that as a parent you do everything possible to protect and nurture your offspring, they were responsible for leaving them, that really is the trigger for my views.
They seem to have an absolute sense of entitlement which means that years later they are still demanding media time and police time to solve this in a case which ordinarily would have been scaled back massively as most others of this nature have been.
All that being said, i can empathise with anyone losing a child but that empathy rapidly disappears when you don't strive to protect them.
Andy Hughes //It speaks to one of my daily mantras in life - never upset someone whose co-operation you need.//
Very good point indeed. Aside from the legalities, relations with the Portuguese legal system and police hit rock bottom some time ago.
The McCann's still need the Portuguese authorities help and whilst you would hope that they are professional and diligent, one wonders after all this time how willing they are to co-operate fully.
The central allegations 'were within acceptable limits in an open and democratic society'. That was the ruling.
Appealing again would seem to be futile under that statement.
Very good point indeed. Aside from the legalities, relations with the Portuguese legal system and police hit rock bottom some time ago.
The McCann's still need the Portuguese authorities help and whilst you would hope that they are professional and diligent, one wonders after all this time how willing they are to co-operate fully.
The central allegations 'were within acceptable limits in an open and democratic society'. That was the ruling.
Appealing again would seem to be futile under that statement.
vortex - //The McCann's still need the Portuguese authorities help and whilst you would hope that they are professional and diligent, one wonders after all this time how willing they are to co-operate fully. //
Indeed.
Hand in hand with the difference in attitudes to children from Europeans, is their tendency to uphold their dignity at all costs, and not to suffer any nonsense from chippy foreigners who start shouting the odds against one of their own.
The McCanns would be best advised to let this situation go, and start building some bridges with people whose co-operation they need, but who absolutely do not need theirs.
Indeed.
Hand in hand with the difference in attitudes to children from Europeans, is their tendency to uphold their dignity at all costs, and not to suffer any nonsense from chippy foreigners who start shouting the odds against one of their own.
The McCanns would be best advised to let this situation go, and start building some bridges with people whose co-operation they need, but who absolutely do not need theirs.
Andy Hughes - Absolutely. A good time for the McCann's to reflect on their position with their trusted advisors and consider very carefully their future strategy.
By all accounts, a close friend has intimated that they are reluctant to proceed with the libel case and that would be a good start.
They need to get key people onside, as you suggest and build some bridges.
I am not suggesting that the McCann's have lost focus in their dogged determination to clear their name but they need to channel all their energies and resources into finding the truth about their daughter.
Continuing to seek a path of vindication against strong allegations is not going to be conducive in achieving their ultimate goal.
By all accounts, a close friend has intimated that they are reluctant to proceed with the libel case and that would be a good start.
They need to get key people onside, as you suggest and build some bridges.
I am not suggesting that the McCann's have lost focus in their dogged determination to clear their name but they need to channel all their energies and resources into finding the truth about their daughter.
Continuing to seek a path of vindication against strong allegations is not going to be conducive in achieving their ultimate goal.
Some parents do very strange and unsafe things, where their children are concerned.
I was once parked up in a supermarket car park next to a car which had a small child in, the mother had left the child there while she returned her shopping trolley to the far side of the car park, seeing that the car was unlocked, my wife and I waited until the mother returned, and she was safely reunited with the child.
The point being we could have been child abductors and snatched the child and drove off with her.
I have often wondered if that women made a regular habit of leaving her child alone in the car.
I was once parked up in a supermarket car park next to a car which had a small child in, the mother had left the child there while she returned her shopping trolley to the far side of the car park, seeing that the car was unlocked, my wife and I waited until the mother returned, and she was safely reunited with the child.
The point being we could have been child abductors and snatched the child and drove off with her.
I have often wondered if that women made a regular habit of leaving her child alone in the car.
Although I would never condone leaving a child in a car - even when the car is in sight, it is unlikely that an abductor would open a car and reach in to grab a child. The time taken to extract a child from a car seat, plus the attendant screaming, would alert far too many people - abductors like speed and silence, so there are far easier targets than this.
AOG - it is certainly true that many parents get rather complacent over their children and their whereabouts.
Very rarely, as in the McCann case, an error of judgment results in the ultimate price being paid.
I don't think there is much more to add and whatever the extent of vitriol hurled at the McCanns, it does nothing to advance their aims in that one day they might be successfully reunited with their daughter no matter how forlorn that hope may be with the passage of time.
Very rarely, as in the McCann case, an error of judgment results in the ultimate price being paid.
I don't think there is much more to add and whatever the extent of vitriol hurled at the McCanns, it does nothing to advance their aims in that one day they might be successfully reunited with their daughter no matter how forlorn that hope may be with the passage of time.
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