If A Christian Couple Can Be Fined For Refusing To Sell Something They Believe Is Against Their Religion Then Why No Action Against This Person?

[youngmafbog]

OK, so IMHO religion is the root of most evil but lets forget that bit because what I am trying to understand is why there seems to be one rule for one and another for a certain other religion we all have to bend ovcer backwards to accommodate?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4070144/Muslim-Tesco-cashier-refuses-sell-bottle-wine-shopper-against-religion.html

[naomi24]

Zacs-Master, Just as well I reminded you then. Now can we get back to the subject - that's if anyone has anything more to say about it?

[Zacs-Master]

I think everything's been said. I believe the facts are:
1. Tescos have a ridiculously all encompassing HR policy.
2. They allowed a Muslim woman to be employed who didn't want to handle alcohol and agreed that she would be somaccomdated.
3. Tesco made a mistake in allowing her to work where it was a possibility that she would come into contact with alcohol.
4. She, quite rightly, (but possibly quite rudely?) refused to serve the customer.
5. Said customer was inconvenienced by a couple of minutes and agreed with point 3.

The rest is merely opinion. :-)

[andy-hughes]

That seems about it Zacs - I guess most people will want to leave it there.

[Zacs-Master]

They did. About 200 posts ago. ;-)

[andy-hughes]

To an extent that's true, but any thread that simply summed up the facts and then stopped would be very tedious - I think there has to be some room for an exchange of opinions and views, that is what makes a thread good to read and join in with.

[Zacs-Master]

Up to a point. But when a particular aspect which has been settled is resurrected because someone hasn't either read the thread or doesn't understand the article it becomes tedious. Nothing can be done about it, it's just the nature of on line forum debates.

[andy-hughes]

No argument there.

Ideally, we should all be calm and logical and put our points across reasonably, and then leave it there, but of course we are all human, and we get het up and passionate, and repetitive and annoyed, and all the other things that make the AB a vibrant place to spend some time.

[Togo]

Still no one can answer the question, why did she not discretely summon a supervisor or colleague, instead of making a point that she was Muslim and would not serve alcohol? Bet you all know really.

[Zacs-Master]

Do you have any evidence that she gave her religion as an excuse?

[fiction-factory]

I think there is a fair chance that she was a bit flustered and said the wrong thing in the wrong way - we have all done it. She needs advice from tesco on how best to react to situations thrown at her. I am not sure the Mail report is helpful to our understanding- it's use of the word 'ordered' strikes me as something she was unlikely the word was deliberately chosen by the Mail to raise the heckles of its readers. I think the Mail is defending her but we may find they will quietly review some of their approaches to HR matters. I also doubt the girl will be promoted soon

[fiction-factory]

Some text disappeared in the middle of that

[Togo]

//Do you have any evidence that she gave her religion as an excuse? //

Sigh... Ill give you a clue.... it's in the links and the press reports ( not just the Mail). You may decide to read what everyone else writes and posts one day, instead of just admiring your own prompts. I will (just this once) help you with a few lines from one of the various sites helpfully provided. To date the silly girl has not denied it, unlike some who are in complete denial. :))

//A father-of-three has hit out at Tesco after a Muslim shop assistant refused to sell him a bottle of wine due to her 'religious beliefs'.//

[Togo]

//heckles//

You mean hackles surely? Heckle is something else.

[andy-hughes]

Togo - it appears to really seriously matter to you that you get across to everyone on here that the assistant made an issue of her religion.

OK, you've succeeded - are you happy to let it drop now?

[fiction-factory]

Thank you for pointing that out. I trust you didn't disagree with anything else in it if that was your only point. Or maybe the spelling mistake invalidated everything I said

//"Ill give you a clue".
Sorry if you're not feeling well. Maybe that accounts for the sighing.


For the record, I agree that it seems likely she gave her religion as a reason based on the Mail's report. Do you have a transcript of everything she said.? She would have been better off saying simply she needed someone else to help with the sale

[Zacs-Master]

Nope, not good enough Togo. So less of the condescension and a few FACTS please. You said she 'made a point' of using her religion. The report said she refused to sell the customer because of her religious beliefs. They are two entirely different things. The wording does NOT confirm that she said anything about her religion to the customer.

You really need to differentiate between what you perceive as facts and actual facts before getting on your high horse.

[Zacs-Master]

The report also says the customer was 'furious' but them mollifies this to 'miffed and baffled' in typical DM fashion after whipping those daft enough to believe it into a frenzy. The man later goes on to say tescos were in the wrong to have put her in this position.