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We are having a Corbyn party apparently with all the stories doing the rounds.
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I can't comment on the legalities of the complaint but will say he and his followers are only complaining, in the same way the other side did before, because they think it is Unfare on them. As it stands he loses 20,000 votes. S the outcome predicted to be that close that those 20k matter?
They would not bat an eyelid if it didn't impact them. Mind you I suppose we are all like that lol
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I can't comment on the legalities of the complaint but will say he and his followers are only complaining, in the same way the other side did before, because they think it is Unfare on them. As it stands he loses 20,000 votes. S the outcome predicted to be that close that those 20k matter?
They would not bat an eyelid if it didn't impact them. Mind you I suppose we are all like that lol
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On the face of it, there appears to be double standards.
Members are being rejected if they are found to have made any support for another party. Yet Lord Sainbury gave the LibDems £2million earlier this year, and he gets to keep his membership. I am all for the rules being rigorously enforced, but the NEC are not being fair and even handed.
Once Corbyn is re-elected, I assume McNicol will be given his P.45 asap.
Members are being rejected if they are found to have made any support for another party. Yet Lord Sainbury gave the LibDems £2million earlier this year, and he gets to keep his membership. I am all for the rules being rigorously enforced, but the NEC are not being fair and even handed.
Once Corbyn is re-elected, I assume McNicol will be given his P.45 asap.
Corbyn is a political dodo. He's an arrogant, champaign socialist who will most probably be responsible for the destruction of the Labour Party.
I have voted Labour in the past and would do so again if I thought they offered a credible alternative to the Tories. Unfortunately, the Labour Party – under Corbyn's 'leadership' – is heading down a political cul-de-sac. He's an analogue politician living in a digital age. He's never got over his student 'right-on' mentality, apparently unaware that the world has changed significantly since the 1970s. The cretins in the Labour Party that continue to give him their support appear to be living in some kind of weird parallel universe. They are wilfully consigning themselves to the political dustbin of history.
I genuinely lament this. I believe that the best way for a country to flourish is to have a democratically elected government with a strong, capable and credible opposition party to keep them in check. The government in power must always be afraid that their power may slip through their fingers if they make a significant mistake. This can only happen if there is a credible opposition party nipping at their heels to be the next elected government.
Under Corbyn, there is no real credible opposition to the Tories.
Maybe a new party is needed.
I have voted Labour in the past and would do so again if I thought they offered a credible alternative to the Tories. Unfortunately, the Labour Party – under Corbyn's 'leadership' – is heading down a political cul-de-sac. He's an analogue politician living in a digital age. He's never got over his student 'right-on' mentality, apparently unaware that the world has changed significantly since the 1970s. The cretins in the Labour Party that continue to give him their support appear to be living in some kind of weird parallel universe. They are wilfully consigning themselves to the political dustbin of history.
I genuinely lament this. I believe that the best way for a country to flourish is to have a democratically elected government with a strong, capable and credible opposition party to keep them in check. The government in power must always be afraid that their power may slip through their fingers if they make a significant mistake. This can only happen if there is a credible opposition party nipping at their heels to be the next elected government.
Under Corbyn, there is no real credible opposition to the Tories.
Maybe a new party is needed.
The opposition candidate, put up by the Blarite MPs, when asked to list the policies on which he differed from Corbyn, could not name a single one.
On the current hustings he seems to be just saying he agrees with all Corbyns policies, but vote for me because I'm not Corbyn.
Smith will of course lose. Then we will see if 230 Labour MPs believe in democracy or not. So far they have failed that test woefully.
On the current hustings he seems to be just saying he agrees with all Corbyns policies, but vote for me because I'm not Corbyn.
Smith will of course lose. Then we will see if 230 Labour MPs believe in democracy or not. So far they have failed that test woefully.
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He isn't assuming that.
A year ago he got 60% of the vote, second place got 20%.
Corbyn could lose tens of thousands from last time and still easily win.
And Owen Smith is a poor candidate compared to Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper and Liz Smith. He only became an MP 6 years ago, has never been in Government, and has next to no experience.
He isn't assuming that.
A year ago he got 60% of the vote, second place got 20%.
Corbyn could lose tens of thousands from last time and still easily win.
And Owen Smith is a poor candidate compared to Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper and Liz Smith. He only became an MP 6 years ago, has never been in Government, and has next to no experience.
The Labour Party itself has gone off the rails which is very sad for our political system as they really could have gone after the Tories after the General Election.Instead,they are anything but a strong opposition and that is unhealthy all round.
If Theresa May gets off to a solid start the Labour Party will need to get their act together very quickly.
I don't see any Labour revival any time soon - pity they haven't got a Flying Scotsman perhaps?
If Theresa May gets off to a solid start the Labour Party will need to get their act together very quickly.
I don't see any Labour revival any time soon - pity they haven't got a Flying Scotsman perhaps?
Gromit - “... And Owen Smith is a poor candidate compared to Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper and Liz Smith. He only became an MP 6 years ago, has never been in Government, and has next to no experience.”
Add to that his idiotic, nay suicidal, idea that we can negotiate a peace deal with ISIS. The man is a certifiable lunatic if he thinks that Islamic fundamentalists who see everyone who isn't a 'true' muslim (as they define it) as nothing more than something to be eradicated, can somehow be appeased and/or reasoned with. People with this crazy notion need locking up in padded cells for their own and everyone else's safety.
What I am saying? Owen Smith is a great candidate for the Labour Party leader. He's a dangerously insane fantasist who lives in a parallel Utopia where everyone is nice, kind, altruistic and tolerant. Seeing as that's the kind of person that the Labour membership are voting for these days, he's got every chance of becoming the next leader of the opposition – practically guaranteeing that the Tories will be in power for the foreseeable future.
I hate British politics at the moment. The Left are in complete disarray and seem to be spiralling downward with wanton abandon.
Add to that his idiotic, nay suicidal, idea that we can negotiate a peace deal with ISIS. The man is a certifiable lunatic if he thinks that Islamic fundamentalists who see everyone who isn't a 'true' muslim (as they define it) as nothing more than something to be eradicated, can somehow be appeased and/or reasoned with. People with this crazy notion need locking up in padded cells for their own and everyone else's safety.
What I am saying? Owen Smith is a great candidate for the Labour Party leader. He's a dangerously insane fantasist who lives in a parallel Utopia where everyone is nice, kind, altruistic and tolerant. Seeing as that's the kind of person that the Labour membership are voting for these days, he's got every chance of becoming the next leader of the opposition – practically guaranteeing that the Tories will be in power for the foreseeable future.
I hate British politics at the moment. The Left are in complete disarray and seem to be spiralling downward with wanton abandon.
Birdie - a severe but realistic assessment.
I didn't know to much about Smith,probably because of his own inexperience,but you hit the nail on the head.As soon as he spoke about IS I thought 'this man is dangerous'.
I know there are one or two people on here who have stated that dialogue is always a possibility but this is not Northern Ireland Peace Talks,this is an enemy that will stop at nothing and want to crush us into granules to achieve their aims.
On that score alone,Smith lacks any shred of credibility...
I didn't know to much about Smith,probably because of his own inexperience,but you hit the nail on the head.As soon as he spoke about IS I thought 'this man is dangerous'.
I know there are one or two people on here who have stated that dialogue is always a possibility but this is not Northern Ireland Peace Talks,this is an enemy that will stop at nothing and want to crush us into granules to achieve their aims.
On that score alone,Smith lacks any shred of credibility...
Agchristie - “... I know there are one or two people on here who have stated that dialogue is always a possibility but this is not Northern Ireland Peace Talks,this is an enemy that will stop at nothing and want to crush us into granules to achieve their aims...”
Well said.
I find it utterly astonishing that our 'leaders' can be so ignorant of Islam. I do sometimes wonder if it ever crosses their minds to spend their generous, tax payer funded, summer holidays to educate themselves on this absolutely crucial matter. Clearly they see fit to fill their time with other pursuits.
Maybe some of them actually understand the problem but they are so feared of being labelled Isamophobic or racist that they chose to do nothing. If so, I would be angry at them but I would also understand why they remain silent.
I have previously written, “... Publicly criticising Islam can be extremely hazardous to ones health as many have found to their great cost. It is difficult to bring up the subject of muslim intolerance and violence without exposing oneself to muslim intolerance and violence. I believe that a great many non-muslims in the world are very, very afraid of Islam yet they are afraid to admit they're afraid because of the threat of exposing themselves to the intolerance and violence that such an admission may bring.”
I wrote that twelve months ago. I don't think that anything has changed since then.
Well said.
I find it utterly astonishing that our 'leaders' can be so ignorant of Islam. I do sometimes wonder if it ever crosses their minds to spend their generous, tax payer funded, summer holidays to educate themselves on this absolutely crucial matter. Clearly they see fit to fill their time with other pursuits.
Maybe some of them actually understand the problem but they are so feared of being labelled Isamophobic or racist that they chose to do nothing. If so, I would be angry at them but I would also understand why they remain silent.
I have previously written, “... Publicly criticising Islam can be extremely hazardous to ones health as many have found to their great cost. It is difficult to bring up the subject of muslim intolerance and violence without exposing oneself to muslim intolerance and violence. I believe that a great many non-muslims in the world are very, very afraid of Islam yet they are afraid to admit they're afraid because of the threat of exposing themselves to the intolerance and violence that such an admission may bring.”
I wrote that twelve months ago. I don't think that anything has changed since then.
//a dangerous, two-faced hypocrite....//
quite possibly. but he's a two faced hypocrite that commands overwhelming support from his party membership, and has presided over a growth in membership unparallelled in modern times, with over 100,000 added since the EU referendum.
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his parliamentary party are less than enthusiastic but after Mr Corbyn is re-elected leader, they'll have a simple choice - hail to the chief, or face deselection. i have a fair idea which choice most will make, which will show them up to be as two-faced as the leader they purport to despise.
does party support transfer into general election votes? well, in labour stronghold constituencies, the voters would vote for a goat if it was wearing a red rosette. in the marginals though, the level of support might depend on dissatisfaction with theresa may. too many stories like this might swing it for Jeremy....
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quite possibly. but he's a two faced hypocrite that commands overwhelming support from his party membership, and has presided over a growth in membership unparallelled in modern times, with over 100,000 added since the EU referendum.
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his parliamentary party are less than enthusiastic but after Mr Corbyn is re-elected leader, they'll have a simple choice - hail to the chief, or face deselection. i have a fair idea which choice most will make, which will show them up to be as two-faced as the leader they purport to despise.
does party support transfer into general election votes? well, in labour stronghold constituencies, the voters would vote for a goat if it was wearing a red rosette. in the marginals though, the level of support might depend on dissatisfaction with theresa may. too many stories like this might swing it for Jeremy....
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