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Top Judge Overturns France's Burkini Ban!
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Personally I'm against such bans, not because there isn't a battle to fought against repressive forms of Islam of which things like the burqa are ostentatious symbols, but because it;s the wrong terrain to fight - we're marching uphill in mud. (Remember Waterloo?). As is evident from the two threads on AB and the legal appeals in France, it's given the...
19:04 Fri 26th Aug 2016
Those who believe that Islam represents the end of the world as we know it (when they finally get around to actually doing something about it that is!) are extremely fond of telling us that Muslim women are all subjugated by their men and forced to wear horrible clothing which they hate because they have no choice.
I have continually put forward the view that maybe (and I don't know this, but that's the beauty of not being an 'expert', I'm not required to know!) - just maybe, Muslim women enjoy a sense of modesty and prefer not to be exposed to men in public, simply because that is what makes them feel more comfortable.
It's just an opinion.
I have continually put forward the view that maybe (and I don't know this, but that's the beauty of not being an 'expert', I'm not required to know!) - just maybe, Muslim women enjoy a sense of modesty and prefer not to be exposed to men in public, simply because that is what makes them feel more comfortable.
It's just an opinion.
Vigilance mikey? Maybe you need to ask yourself WHY they're on the rise!
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I saw the Burkini as a step forward, instead of being swathed in yards of voluminous fabric, to wear something more casual and suited to the beach or pool whilst still being modest.
It could easily have been the first step towards even more relaxation in these matters - this outlawing has to me set that possibility back a fair way.
Let's hope not.
It could easily have been the first step towards even more relaxation in these matters - this outlawing has to me set that possibility back a fair way.
Let's hope not.
Andy Hughes, do you know what irony is?
The lady went to a beach of which she was aware that other people will be wearing suntanning types of clothing. So set off to join them wearing her desired clothing which was to cover herself up, fine... the irony part that if she'd have worn maybe the same attire no-one would have batted an eyelid. As her clothes were not 'provocative' would not have kicked up all this fuss.. all she wanted was a nap on the beach and not incite attraction to herself.
Hope I explained that well enough for you to understand.
The lady went to a beach of which she was aware that other people will be wearing suntanning types of clothing. So set off to join them wearing her desired clothing which was to cover herself up, fine... the irony part that if she'd have worn maybe the same attire no-one would have batted an eyelid. As her clothes were not 'provocative' would not have kicked up all this fuss.. all she wanted was a nap on the beach and not incite attraction to herself.
Hope I explained that well enough for you to understand.
Arksided - //Andy Hughes, do you know what irony is?
The lady went to a beach of which she was aware that other people will be wearing suntanning types of clothing. So set off to join them wearing her desired clothing which was to cover herself up, fine... the irony part that if she'd have worn maybe the same attire no-one would have batted an eyelid. As her clothes were not 'provocative' would not have kicked up all this fuss.. all she wanted was a nap on the beach and not incite attraction to herself.
Hope I explained that well enough for you to understand. //
I did respond your post about double meanings, but I now see that it hasn't come up on here.
What I said was, if your post was ironic, I apologise for missing it - a constant risk with communicating in print only.
I also said that I was really annoyed with myself because if I had read it correctly, I would have saluted you for a fine piece or ironic commentary.
So, yes, I do know what irony is!
There are so many doom and gloomers on here, it's really easy to miss genuine humour - it's in seriously short supply on threads that may include the word 'Muslim' anywhere!!
The lady went to a beach of which she was aware that other people will be wearing suntanning types of clothing. So set off to join them wearing her desired clothing which was to cover herself up, fine... the irony part that if she'd have worn maybe the same attire no-one would have batted an eyelid. As her clothes were not 'provocative' would not have kicked up all this fuss.. all she wanted was a nap on the beach and not incite attraction to herself.
Hope I explained that well enough for you to understand. //
I did respond your post about double meanings, but I now see that it hasn't come up on here.
What I said was, if your post was ironic, I apologise for missing it - a constant risk with communicating in print only.
I also said that I was really annoyed with myself because if I had read it correctly, I would have saluted you for a fine piece or ironic commentary.
So, yes, I do know what irony is!
There are so many doom and gloomers on here, it's really easy to miss genuine humour - it's in seriously short supply on threads that may include the word 'Muslim' anywhere!!
Arksided - //Sorry for the patronising post Andy, I thought maybe you'd had being so enthralled with the story you'd lost sight of a little humor. //
Not a problem at all. I one-hundred-per-cent missed the irony in your post, and I try always to keep my humour antenna tuned up - I could never get through a day on here without it!!!
Not a problem at all. I one-hundred-per-cent missed the irony in your post, and I try always to keep my humour antenna tuned up - I could never get through a day on here without it!!!
SP, //Better to dictate to these women at gunpoint how they should dress?//
At gunpoint? Oh please!! French police carry guns - but nothing like a touch of added drama for effect!
//Has anyone actually asked these women what they want to do?//
I can’t claim to have asked all ‘these women’, but I have asked a countless number of them in various countries around the world - and in fact I have a rather nice photograph (which modesty prevents me from posting here) of me with a couple of classes of Egyptian teenage schoolgirls, all of whom continue to cover their heads (because the Koran says they must) but all of whom have voluntarily abandoned the standard hijab in favour of jaunty and fashionable little hats. They’re getting there – but that’s no thanks to people who well-meaningly, but misguidedly, support the imposition of restrictive and long out-dated religious foibles. By defending the ‘right’ of Muslim women to wear distinctly Islamic clothing you are in effect condoning their on-going suppression – and that does those who don’t have the freedom to choose no favours whatsoever. It does, however, delight the men who control them.
At gunpoint? Oh please!! French police carry guns - but nothing like a touch of added drama for effect!
//Has anyone actually asked these women what they want to do?//
I can’t claim to have asked all ‘these women’, but I have asked a countless number of them in various countries around the world - and in fact I have a rather nice photograph (which modesty prevents me from posting here) of me with a couple of classes of Egyptian teenage schoolgirls, all of whom continue to cover their heads (because the Koran says they must) but all of whom have voluntarily abandoned the standard hijab in favour of jaunty and fashionable little hats. They’re getting there – but that’s no thanks to people who well-meaningly, but misguidedly, support the imposition of restrictive and long out-dated religious foibles. By defending the ‘right’ of Muslim women to wear distinctly Islamic clothing you are in effect condoning their on-going suppression – and that does those who don’t have the freedom to choose no favours whatsoever. It does, however, delight the men who control them.
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