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Nigel Farage once mentioned this type of thing and was lambasted for it, but how much longer is it going to continue to take place?
Nigel Farage once mentioned this type of thing and was lambasted for it, but how much longer is it going to continue to take place?
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AOG Treatment waiting time is based on how urgent the treatment is not on where the patients come from.
A patient arriving from overseas is likely to only be seen once the condition is so advanced that immediate treatment is necessary to prevent blindness.
A UK patient will have been seen and assessed years or months before the condition becomes so bad that emergency treatment is needed.
It is the same for any operation, I was on the waiting list for treatment for a non urgent condition, 3 times my operation was cancelled ( once on the morning I was due to go in) because they had to operate on more urgent cases that had just been notified to the hospital.
A patient arriving from overseas is likely to only be seen once the condition is so advanced that immediate treatment is necessary to prevent blindness.
A UK patient will have been seen and assessed years or months before the condition becomes so bad that emergency treatment is needed.
It is the same for any operation, I was on the waiting list for treatment for a non urgent condition, 3 times my operation was cancelled ( once on the morning I was due to go in) because they had to operate on more urgent cases that had just been notified to the hospital.
EDDIE
The point is being made that these are health 'tourists' and not the condition they are in. Why should they just swan in the country and obtain treatment they have not paid into and leave without settling the bill.
People all over the world have serious conditions but we are not the world's saviours or shouldn't be!
The point is being made that these are health 'tourists' and not the condition they are in. Why should they just swan in the country and obtain treatment they have not paid into and leave without settling the bill.
People all over the world have serious conditions but we are not the world's saviours or shouldn't be!
I have been in a similar predicament as yourself very recently. I also have had an operation cancelled twice. An aortic aneurysm is pretty serious but I accepted a greater emergency was prioritised before me. I would of been incandescent if I discovered that the patient had just pitched up to the hospital after a flight over from Mumbai.
Non emergency operations are carried on a clinical basis, not how long a person has been on a list. So if a British person goes to their doctor with very bad cataract, they will be operated on before someone whose condition was spotted at an early stage. Patients arriving from abroad are likely to be at a late stage and needing immediate operations.
It is unclear how these foreign patients are arriving. How they get seen or if any planning made with Trusts.
There is also the problem that many Trusts make no attempt to recover the costs. They don't have a system, and the cost of administration for small operations is not worth it.
The Mail article also seems very confusing. These sentences seem contradictory or misleading
// The Daily Mail used the Freedom of Information Act to ask all 150 hospital trusts in England a series of questions about overseas patients. Thirteen admitted they never recovered the full costs from the patients.
He said government research showed that 84 per cent of health tourists never paid their debts. //
It is unclear how these foreign patients are arriving. How they get seen or if any planning made with Trusts.
There is also the problem that many Trusts make no attempt to recover the costs. They don't have a system, and the cost of administration for small operations is not worth it.
The Mail article also seems very confusing. These sentences seem contradictory or misleading
// The Daily Mail used the Freedom of Information Act to ask all 150 hospital trusts in England a series of questions about overseas patients. Thirteen admitted they never recovered the full costs from the patients.
He said government research showed that 84 per cent of health tourists never paid their debts. //
Gromit
Half the problem is that members of hospital clinics i.e. receptionists are either scared or reluctant to challenge people who turn up on the hoof.
You will find signs on most waiting rooms requesting patients to disclose their non-entitlement to free NHS healthcare if applicable. They are hardly going to comply with that request.
The staff are frightened that they may be accused of racial profiling if they dare request proof of entitlement OR they flatly refuse and state they are medical receptionists and not employed as immigration officers.
Another instance of PC coming back to bite us on the a***.
Perhaps ALL patients should produce their National Insurance card along with their appointment form as a MUST when arriving at hospital or no treatment.
Half the problem is that members of hospital clinics i.e. receptionists are either scared or reluctant to challenge people who turn up on the hoof.
You will find signs on most waiting rooms requesting patients to disclose their non-entitlement to free NHS healthcare if applicable. They are hardly going to comply with that request.
The staff are frightened that they may be accused of racial profiling if they dare request proof of entitlement OR they flatly refuse and state they are medical receptionists and not employed as immigration officers.
Another instance of PC coming back to bite us on the a***.
Perhaps ALL patients should produce their National Insurance card along with their appointment form as a MUST when arriving at hospital or no treatment.
Nothing confusing or contradictory about that:
/// 150 hospital trusts in England a series of questions about overseas patients. Thirteen admitted they never recovered the full costs from the patients. ///
/// He said government research showed that 84 per cent of health tourists never paid their debts. ///
Read it again out of 150 trusts 13 said they had never recovered the costs, but it never stated how many patients those 13 had let off paying.
/// 150 hospital trusts in England a series of questions about overseas patients. Thirteen admitted they never recovered the full costs from the patients. ///
/// He said government research showed that 84 per cent of health tourists never paid their debts. ///
Read it again out of 150 trusts 13 said they had never recovered the costs, but it never stated how many patients those 13 had let off paying.
Interesting article in the Mail.
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Treatment time is based on how urgent it is, not where they are from.
Well I can't answer the second part, but as someone with sight in one eye, which had a cataract in, and as someone who is disabled by a brain tumour, which means I have to use a mobility scooter, and as someone who could neither read or write very well any more, I was told I would have to wait over a year.
Went private. Best two and a half grand ever spent. I can't afford it but Barclaycard can....
Well I can't answer the second part, but as someone with sight in one eye, which had a cataract in, and as someone who is disabled by a brain tumour, which means I have to use a mobility scooter, and as someone who could neither read or write very well any more, I was told I would have to wait over a year.
Went private. Best two and a half grand ever spent. I can't afford it but Barclaycard can....
Although the link specifically mentions eye surgery we have to remember it doesn't just stop there.
This has been gone over before, on this site, but we have the high demands on our midwifery depts, being abused by Women who just happen to find they are nine months pregnant with triplets just as they step off the plane from Lagos. These women should not be allowed on a flight in that condition let alone a UK hospital. How much did that Nigerian cost us before she did a runner.?
This has been gone over before, on this site, but we have the high demands on our midwifery depts, being abused by Women who just happen to find they are nine months pregnant with triplets just as they step off the plane from Lagos. These women should not be allowed on a flight in that condition let alone a UK hospital. How much did that Nigerian cost us before she did a runner.?
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There is something missing from this article.
It seems to suggest the patients buy an expensive airplane ticket in Zimbabwe or Nigeria (where cataract operations are routinely performed cheaply), get off the plane in England, go the hospital and an operation is performed right away, and then they go home without paying.
It doesn't make sense, that is not how it happens.
It seems to suggest the patients buy an expensive airplane ticket in Zimbabwe or Nigeria (where cataract operations are routinely performed cheaply), get off the plane in England, go the hospital and an operation is performed right away, and then they go home without paying.
It doesn't make sense, that is not how it happens.
EDDIE51 @ 0954.
A fine speech, however you do seem to be oblivious to the fact that these people are coming into the UK specifically for NHS Treatment to which they are not entitled and have no intention of paying for before they clear off home again, having deprived a entitled British Patient of treatment that they are entitled to and have contributed towards. Do you really think that is right.
It is The National Health Service, NOT The World Health Service.
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