Let The Uk As A Whole Vote Fir Scottish Indeoendance?

[youngmafbog]

I reckon, as I did before, that the whole uk should vote.

That shoukd secure the Scottish what they want.

[youngmafbog]

And let us remember. Like piles the Scottish are much better when they go back up again.

[Zacs-Master]

Douglas?

[douglas9401]

No, that's the Isle Of Man.

[jim360]

Perhaps, in the spirit of extending the principle, the EU as a whole should have had the opportunity to vote on the UK's continued membership?

[Hypognosis]

{Churchill Insurance voice}

Ohh yus!

[Zacs-Master]

I know Douglas where Douglas is cos Douglas was my Dad's middle name cos he was conceived there. And you thought the Beckhams had started that trend.

[Hypognosis]

Come off it jim, they were milking us and wouldn't let us go if they had a say.

[douglas9401]

Not enough scope for jock bashing by the intelligentsia though, Jim

[Old_Geezer]

Indeed. Financially the UK/Scotland issue is the reverse of the EU/UK issue.

I'm unsure letting the whole UK vote in the break up referendum would ensure a split. I think changes would be useful but if the SNP can keep their destructive goals in the background then the UK is much better off with Scotland. I'd even invite Eire to reconsider their unfortunate decision to break away. A pair of islands seem a reasonable single national unit.

[jim360]

Financially perhaps, but politically they are the same basic principle. If the Scottish people as a whole want to leave the UK that should be up to them, not the rest of the UK.

[jourdain2]

I agree. We would all be affected by a split, so we should all vote on the issue. Many, many Brits are, like me, half-Scottish as well.

[THECORBYLOON]

Is the rest of the EU not affected by Brexit meaning they should have had a say too?

[birdie1971]

If the Scots want to leave the UK, let em. It's their funeral. Apart from the fact that there's no guarantee that the EU will even accept them as a new member state, if they did, they'll have to accept the Euro as their currency – a currency which is failing and failing fast. And then there's the price of oil...

If the Scots do vote for independence, they're screwed economically. Are they really that stupid? I don't think so.

[Jackdaw33]

It should be a two stage affair. Scotland alone should vote, then if the vote is Independence the rest of us should vote as to whether to allow them. This of course will be a mere formality.

[birdie1971]

In the interests of democracy, we can't say whether or not the Scots can leave. It's their decision and theirs alone. If they think the relationship is over then it is. What England thinks is irrelevant.

If the EU let the Scots join their now failing club, embracing all the 'benefits' of a toxic currency, anti-democratic government, ever increasing bureaucratic meddling, centralised decision making, unelected and an irremovable political elite, then let them.

If the Scots vote to leave, so be it. Bye, bye. It's been nice knowing you.

[Hypognosis]

The Union (of the UK) was forged by *mutual agreement*.
(cough)Darien Scheme(cough)

So separation should be by mutual agreement, should it not.

I note this thread already has a difference of opinion about whether Scotland benefits the UK or benefits *from* the UK.

They clearly think they would benefit from the EU but… where do they imagine that sub is going to come from after the suction cups are detached from the UK's udders, eh?

IF Scotland = UK's cashcow
AND the EU milks the UK
AND Scotlands EU grants

[Hypognosis]

AB doesn't like less than symbol, wiped closing para of my post. :-/

try again:

IF Scotland = UK's cashcow
AND the EU milks the UK
AND Scotlands EU grants less than equal to Scotland's oil revenue
THEN all EU grants to Scotland are its own oil money!!

Does Nichola not understand this concept?

[Jackdaw33]

The sole reason for the Union was to prevent the restoration of the House of Stuart in Scotland and the possible alliance with France. That reason no longer exists.

[Hypognosis]

Oh? Nothing to do with Scotland bankrupting itself on Panama?

[Jackdaw33]

Not really. The Act of Settlement did not apply to Scotland and there was no way England was going to have a Catholic king on its borders.