Can Britain Liberate The Entire Continent?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/19/brexit-could-spark-democratic-liberation-of-continent-says-gove
If we vote out could our actions start a domino effect and free the whole continent from tyranny?

[ummmm]

Nah....I'll give that a miss.

[jim360]

If the Leave campaign are going to insist on complaining about "Project Fear", perhaps they'd care to stop describing Europe as a "tyranny" (it's not even remotely close to one) and remain supporters as "traitors", and dangling the Treason Act 1351 over their heads (I wasn't aware I was planning to kill George Osborne any time soon)? It's frankly pathetic that you feel the need to resort to such hyperbole.

[Jackdaw33]

Lighten up, Jim.

[tamborine]

Brexit is the only way to avoid the influx of migrants to our shores. Free movement within EU was only for members but Merkel has broken that edict by opening EU borders to sub-continent non members, that we cant afford to support.

Tyranny will remain in Europe if we brexit. We already have our own tyranny with Scotland wanting exit UK.

[youngmafbog]

Brilliant, I've made your day today then jim!

Just out of interest, do you really think the EU is a democracy? I would not call it that.

And lets not forget the extreme difficulty they have in getting anyone to sign their books off. No better than the likes of Mugabe in that respect.

[Hopkirk]

A bit of advice Tora.

I, and I suspect many others, find it impossible to take your posts seriously when you have a picture of that grinning idiot as your avatar.

[jim360]

What makes a democracy? The EU parliament is elected democratically, and two or three of the other major legislative branches of the EU are made of the democratically-elected leaders/ government ministers of the constituent countries, etc. I'd certainly not want to argue that it's a perfect democracy, but neither is it wholly undemocratic and "tyrannical".

[youngmafbog]

// grinning idiot //

Some of us like it though. It's called a democracy.

[youngmafbog]

And the snouts in the trough unaccountables that really run the EU then jim?

[ToraToraTora]

well clearly the destiny of our country is not of interest to Tilly, if you are not interested fine, don;t troll post.

ummm: "It's quite insulting to call people traitors. " - well they are collaborating with the occupying power, I'd say that's a pretty accurate name for them.

[mikey4444]

I agree TTT...I would rather you went back to using the Iron Lady, than continue to use that idiot, and I am far from being her greatest fan, as you will be aware !

[mikey4444]

TTT...what "occupying power" ?

This is not the 1940's you know.

We have just as much freedom and representation within the EU as all the others Member states....even more, as we are not in the Eurozone, and we are not part of Schengen.

[ummmm]

TTT...I don't know how old you are but some of us have been brought up not knowing anything but the EU. I'm still undecided and that doesn't make me a traitor. The people surrounding me are all for the 'out' campaign.

[Togo]

I bet Donny is grinning even more this morning. After the New York Primary.

[ToraToraTora]

The EU have managed by stealth and collaboration of traitors what could not be achieved by military action. The invasion and subjugation of the continent by the bureaucrat, starting with a political coup in 1973(Tony Benn) to the present level of control. It may not be done with the cruelty of war but the out come is the same. I don't think the in crowd have any idea how the rest of us feel on this.

[mikey4444]

ummm...if you don't immediately agree with TTT, and others, you are automatically assumed to be "anti-British" and a traitor !

[retrocop]

ummmm

//The people surrounding me are all for the 'out' campaign.//

That is, probably because like me, they do remember the UK before we joined the Common Market and the subsequent grief it has brought us since.

[jim360]

TTT's avatar is his own choice.

ymb, I'm not really sure who you mean. Possibly the EU commission, but it only proposes laws, whereas it is the elected Parliament and the Council of the EU (made of ministers representing the elected national governments) that must pass them. The EU parliament could be made more representative (if, for example, more EU citizens started voting); but the Council of the EU is very similar to our own House of Lords.

[mikey4444]

Retro...where I live in South Wales, our Membership of the EU has been a godsend.....but I accept it may not be the same for other, wealthier parts of Britain.

[Peter Pedant]

// I, and I suspect many others, find it impossible to take your posts seriously when you have a picture of that grinning idiot as your avatar.//

no that should be: I, and I suspect many others, find it impossible to take your posts seriously after we have read them.

yeah good idea Domino effect
The Domino effect was Kissy Kissinger's idea ( 3T : Kissy who-jingeeeeer ? who he den ? ) that once Vietnam fell, the whole of French Indo-china would fall to the carmies, and go Communist.
( 3T is indochine part of china den ? ( yeah it was 0 AD to 1000 AD )

and the result was the AMerican Defeat in Vietnam - the only time the land of the free has been defeated by force of arms and the distant cause of a mass migration called the Viet Boat People. The Americans lost 50 000 dead finding out whether the Domino Effect was true or not.

so in view of this lesson from History
( 3T I never learnt narfin from history nar dont do dat )
I am surprised to hear it wheeled out in the Brexit context in 2016