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Perhaps saying "All we need is love" is why John Lennon was shot.
22:35 Sun 23rd Aug 2015
Naomi "...Radical Islam doesn’t compromise. If you could bring yourself to understand that you would understand that there can never be dialogue."
I can 'bring myself to understand that ...' as you rather patronisingly put it - but since the alternative is simply to say that there is no point in trying, then we simply make ourselves as intransigent as they are.
Militant Islamist are living in a feudal system that has fundamentally remained the same since the 12th century - that is their reason for their intransigent attitude.
What do you suggest we use as ours?
I can 'bring myself to understand that ...' as you rather patronisingly put it - but since the alternative is simply to say that there is no point in trying, then we simply make ourselves as intransigent as they are.
Militant Islamist are living in a feudal system that has fundamentally remained the same since the 12th century - that is their reason for their intransigent attitude.
What do you suggest we use as ours?
Naomi - "andy-hughes, it's common sense to acknowledge that attempts at dialogue are futile. "
If you adopt a position that attempting dialogue is futile, then you are closing the door to potential dialogue, and saving yourself the tiresome task of having to try to open communications.
I happen to believe that the future of innocent civilians in the world demands that even if the door is close, knocking on it may make it open - refusing to knock on it obviously won't.
Add to that the acknowledged fact that Muslim extremists are so firmly entrenched in their belief that they are right, and the have a stubborn streak the size of Neptune - showing them the same attitude will merely re-enforce their belief that they are right, and that we are simply stubborn and pig-headed (pardon the pun again) and if that is our position - they would be right to see us like that.
If you adopt a position that attempting dialogue is futile, then you are closing the door to potential dialogue, and saving yourself the tiresome task of having to try to open communications.
I happen to believe that the future of innocent civilians in the world demands that even if the door is close, knocking on it may make it open - refusing to knock on it obviously won't.
Add to that the acknowledged fact that Muslim extremists are so firmly entrenched in their belief that they are right, and the have a stubborn streak the size of Neptune - showing them the same attitude will merely re-enforce their belief that they are right, and that we are simply stubborn and pig-headed (pardon the pun again) and if that is our position - they would be right to see us like that.
Ric.roar - "Maybe she would, and maybe she is a British citizen and wants to come home.
And maybe had she not been dissatisfied in this country she would not have left in the first place "
I do not think we can assume that her departure was because of dissatisfaction with this country.
More likely I would suggest is a (misplaced) sense of loyalty to her husband who we are advised was an IS fighter - and free of his influence and control, she may wish to exercise her own opinions and views - which includes leaving IS society and culture and coming home.
And maybe had she not been dissatisfied in this country she would not have left in the first place "
I do not think we can assume that her departure was because of dissatisfaction with this country.
More likely I would suggest is a (misplaced) sense of loyalty to her husband who we are advised was an IS fighter - and free of his influence and control, she may wish to exercise her own opinions and views - which includes leaving IS society and culture and coming home.
//Add to that the acknowledged fact that Muslim extremists are so firmly entrenched in their belief that they are right, and the have a stubborn streak the size of Neptune - showing them the same attitude will merely re-enforce their belief that they are right, and that we are simply stubborn and pig-headed (pardon the pun again) and if that is our position - they would be right to see us like that.//
That is just a gem. PMSL What irony. :-)
That is just a gem. PMSL What irony. :-)
Naomi - "andy-hughes, They aren’t interested in what we think. They don’t care what we think – and they never will. They are laughing at people who think as you do."
Last time I looked, no-one died of being laughed at.
If I could hear a Militant laughing at my view, I would be in apposition to ask him why he is laughing, and we can start talking to each other.
It's a start ...
Last time I looked, no-one died of being laughed at.
If I could hear a Militant laughing at my view, I would be in apposition to ask him why he is laughing, and we can start talking to each other.
It's a start ...
