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Little Boy Killed In Skiing Accident
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I saw this on the news yesterday but I hadn't realised that this little lad was only 7 years old. According to the news, he asked for permission to ski alone. How on earth did his parents allow him to go skiing alone, in such a dangerous place ? What on earth were they thinking of ?
I saw this on the news yesterday but I hadn't realised that this little lad was only 7 years old. According to the news, he asked for permission to ski alone. How on earth did his parents allow him to go skiing alone, in such a dangerous place ? What on earth were they thinking of ?
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Ummmm....we skied in Canada......
12:15 Sun 12th Apr 2015
This is a difficult one, especially when we still don't know all the details.
It can seem a bit fussy to have lots of rules. But, it you don't have lots of rules, accidents happen.
The mountains are dangerous. People get lost. People have accidents. People get killed. Visibility can change. Weather can change.
You ski in packs or pairs. If you're in a pair, you only have to watch each other. If you're in a pack, the strongest skiers go at the front, and the back. Nobody skies ahead of the front skier, and the back skier doesn't ski ahead of the next last person. If the person at the front comes to a bend or a fork, or a difficult bit of terrain, he stops while the pack close up. If anyone falls over, the back skier will be there for them, and the front skier will still be leading the pack. The front skier will be experienced enough to constantly check that the pack is still in touch. But ...
If you are skiing at the front, and someone behind you falls over, and you are out of sight before you realise, then you were not experienced enough to ski at the front. And ...
Although I don't have children, when we have been on group trips we have spent plenty of time staring the children in the eyes and telling them you never ... ever ... ever ... EVER! ... ski on alone. If you lose sight of the pack, you stop. THE END! Do not try to find us. Stay where you are, and we will will find you. If you move, we can't find you. Do not move. You are only allowed to go skiing if you totally understand what we are telling you.
And, on our trips, no one ever goes skiing without a charged up Walkie Talkie.
Taking children skiing is not like taking them to the beach. People die in the mountains. However "over the top" you may think your precautions are ... they are not!
Obviously there is a lot more to come out here. But, as soon as you take a child into a mountain, you are putting their life in potential danger. How much you reduce that danger is completely down to you. And if you think that a particular child, or person, is experienced enough to take a particular role in the group - ski at the front, ski at the back, etc - if that person has an accident, then you may have made a poor judgment call.
If you are on a marked piste, every hundred metres or so there will be a post on the side of the piste. The posts on the left are marked in a different way from the posts on the right. When you come to a post, even if the visibility is down to zero, you can tell which way is sloping downwards, and which is up, and if you are on the left or the right. So you know which side of the marker is piste, and which is off piste, even if you can't see because of the weather. Of any member of your group is not confident with things like that then, frankly, you are "hoping for the best". Tragically, up in the mountins, "the best" doesn't always happen.
It can seem a bit fussy to have lots of rules. But, it you don't have lots of rules, accidents happen.
The mountains are dangerous. People get lost. People have accidents. People get killed. Visibility can change. Weather can change.
You ski in packs or pairs. If you're in a pair, you only have to watch each other. If you're in a pack, the strongest skiers go at the front, and the back. Nobody skies ahead of the front skier, and the back skier doesn't ski ahead of the next last person. If the person at the front comes to a bend or a fork, or a difficult bit of terrain, he stops while the pack close up. If anyone falls over, the back skier will be there for them, and the front skier will still be leading the pack. The front skier will be experienced enough to constantly check that the pack is still in touch. But ...
If you are skiing at the front, and someone behind you falls over, and you are out of sight before you realise, then you were not experienced enough to ski at the front. And ...
Although I don't have children, when we have been on group trips we have spent plenty of time staring the children in the eyes and telling them you never ... ever ... ever ... EVER! ... ski on alone. If you lose sight of the pack, you stop. THE END! Do not try to find us. Stay where you are, and we will will find you. If you move, we can't find you. Do not move. You are only allowed to go skiing if you totally understand what we are telling you.
And, on our trips, no one ever goes skiing without a charged up Walkie Talkie.
Taking children skiing is not like taking them to the beach. People die in the mountains. However "over the top" you may think your precautions are ... they are not!
Obviously there is a lot more to come out here. But, as soon as you take a child into a mountain, you are putting their life in potential danger. How much you reduce that danger is completely down to you. And if you think that a particular child, or person, is experienced enough to take a particular role in the group - ski at the front, ski at the back, etc - if that person has an accident, then you may have made a poor judgment call.
If you are on a marked piste, every hundred metres or so there will be a post on the side of the piste. The posts on the left are marked in a different way from the posts on the right. When you come to a post, even if the visibility is down to zero, you can tell which way is sloping downwards, and which is up, and if you are on the left or the right. So you know which side of the marker is piste, and which is off piste, even if you can't see because of the weather. Of any member of your group is not confident with things like that then, frankly, you are "hoping for the best". Tragically, up in the mountins, "the best" doesn't always happen.
> Taking children skiing is not like taking them to the beach. People die in the mountains.
People die on the beach too. I knew a woman whose child drowned within her sight on the beach on holiday. The woman killed herself when they got home - I won't go into how, it was horrific - leaving her husband and daughter to mourn their lost son and brother, wife and mother. Tragic.
That's an example of why the mother in this case must be supported. Decent parents don't set out to have their children die, but lots of children do die nonetheless.
People die on the beach too. I knew a woman whose child drowned within her sight on the beach on holiday. The woman killed herself when they got home - I won't go into how, it was horrific - leaving her husband and daughter to mourn their lost son and brother, wife and mother. Tragic.
That's an example of why the mother in this case must be supported. Decent parents don't set out to have their children die, but lots of children do die nonetheless.
Ellipsis
I couldn't agree with you more. IMO a very fair assessment. Our Bachelor gay apparently has never fathered children but can issue his condemnation without experiencing life with kids of his own. I always believe that someone should experience REAL situations in the real world without trotting out opinions without being aware of the facts first.
I couldn't agree with you more. IMO a very fair assessment. Our Bachelor gay apparently has never fathered children but can issue his condemnation without experiencing life with kids of his own. I always believe that someone should experience REAL situations in the real world without trotting out opinions without being aware of the facts first.
i'm not suggesting this is a factor in this instance.
but.
for many families, the skiing comprises the kids attending ecole de ski in the morning, whilst the adults go mad. then in the afternoon, they naturally want to ski together, at a time when the little ones are feeling more than just well-exercised. and they go right to the top of the hill because at that time of the day, the snow is in better condition. many is the time, sadly, when my group has felt the need to shepherd a family off who have underestimated the distance to base camp, and how tricky it can be when the sun goes behind the hill and the snow freezes solid, and how kids tend to run flat like duracell bunnies, ie very quickly.
but.
for many families, the skiing comprises the kids attending ecole de ski in the morning, whilst the adults go mad. then in the afternoon, they naturally want to ski together, at a time when the little ones are feeling more than just well-exercised. and they go right to the top of the hill because at that time of the day, the snow is in better condition. many is the time, sadly, when my group has felt the need to shepherd a family off who have underestimated the distance to base camp, and how tricky it can be when the sun goes behind the hill and the snow freezes solid, and how kids tend to run flat like duracell bunnies, ie very quickly.
Article here may explain, and seems to do so without taking sides!
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mushroom is right about the afternoon conditions.
The snow in the shade turns to ice.
The snow still in the sun turns to slush.
It's hard to turn, and hard to control your skis.
As the sun drops, you lose the shadows around the contours of the piste, and it all looks flat and white. With your sunnies on, you can't see the bumps. With your sunnies off, the cold air hurts your eyes. I switch to yellow lenses for the last runs of the day.
Your legs are tired, because its late in the day. The skiing conditions are difficult. How many skiing incidents happen in the afternoon? Most of them! It's the time of day when a lot of skiers say, Actually, I've had enough, I'm going down in the gondola.
But those are just general observations. Without the full facts of this incident, one can't jump to any conclusions. All that we know for sure is that it's terribly sad.
The snow in the shade turns to ice.
The snow still in the sun turns to slush.
It's hard to turn, and hard to control your skis.
As the sun drops, you lose the shadows around the contours of the piste, and it all looks flat and white. With your sunnies on, you can't see the bumps. With your sunnies off, the cold air hurts your eyes. I switch to yellow lenses for the last runs of the day.
Your legs are tired, because its late in the day. The skiing conditions are difficult. How many skiing incidents happen in the afternoon? Most of them! It's the time of day when a lot of skiers say, Actually, I've had enough, I'm going down in the gondola.
But those are just general observations. Without the full facts of this incident, one can't jump to any conclusions. All that we know for sure is that it's terribly sad.
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Some of you ought to stop imitating Mikey and jumping to the wrong conclusions.I was referring to Maid of the Mountains when I used that expression. I also use the word Gay as it should be used and not hijacked as it has been . If you have never heard of maid of the mountains then some would be shocked I mentioned the Gay Gordon's. I can't be held responsible for others ignorance and explain my words on every thread. For those who are devoid of knowledge the Gay Gordon's is a dance and Not a Homophobic reference to a Scot.
Some of you ought to stop imitating Mikey and jumping to the wrong conclusions.I was referring to Maid of the Mountains when I used that expression. I also use the word Gay as it should be used and not hijacked as it has been . If you have never heard of maid of the mountains then some would be shocked I mentioned the Gay Gordon's. I can't be held responsible for others ignorance and explain my words on every thread. For those who are devoid of knowledge the Gay Gordon's is a dance and Not a Homophobic reference to a Scot.
retrocop
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Some of you ought to stop imitating Mikey and jumping to the wrong conclusions.
Like who?
You used the word 'gay' and I asked why...how is that jumping to conclusions?
retrocop
If you have never heard of maid of the mountains then some would be shocked I mentioned the Gay Gordon's.
You mentioned the Gay Gordon's...where?
retrocop
I can't be held responsible for others ignorance
lol... yeah, being a massive fan of operatic comedies produced during WW1 I should have known what you meant by 'A batchelor gay'
I even think it is on my ipod just before Agadoo by Black Lace.
retrocop
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Some of you ought to stop imitating Mikey and jumping to the wrong conclusions.
Like who?
You used the word 'gay' and I asked why...how is that jumping to conclusions?
retrocop
If you have never heard of maid of the mountains then some would be shocked I mentioned the Gay Gordon's.
You mentioned the Gay Gordon's...where?
retrocop
I can't be held responsible for others ignorance
lol... yeah, being a massive fan of operatic comedies produced during WW1 I should have known what you meant by 'A batchelor gay'
I even think it is on my ipod just before Agadoo by Black Lace.
retrocop
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