Are These Innocent Civilians?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2978890/ISIS-barbarians-throw-gay-man-building-bloodthirsty-crowds-Syria.html

Very unlikely judging by their barbarism, so would it be wrong to bomb Raqqa?

[andy-hughes]

Svejk //You're trying to make out that people here are the same as people there and I'm saying they're not around here./

I don't understand why both you and AOG cannot understand the point I made - but I will be delighted to make it again.

The human race contains some base reactions to circumstances, regardless of where they live on the planet.

That includes gawping at shocking events taking place before their eyes.

That does NOT equate with the concept that all humans are the same all over the world - it is a simple fact that if (heaven forbid!) someone was thrown off a building anywhere in the western world, that people would not look at it, and film it on their cameras - does 911 ring any bells?

//Don't, to be honest, know why that needed explaining?//

Because I thought you had missed the point - and indeed you had.

//Seemed pretty straightforward to me.//

Only if you are keen to jump to the wrong conclusion.

[Zacs-Master]

Svejk, you seem to be claiming that the authorities in Bradford and Luton (both places with a high Asian population, which could just be a coincidence) would be more likely to throw gay people off roofs.

Have i got that right?

[andy-hughes]

Oops - sorry - I mean people WOULD look at it - typing too fast - late for tea!!

[Peter Pedant]

Schweik // Of course, in Bradford, Luton, wherever Andy lives things might/must be different.//

and Andy asks for an explanation

I am psychic and can supply a valid one - but not necessarily the only one

Muslims like stoning homosexuals more than Christians
Areas with a predomination of Muslims may therefore be more pleased than those areas with Christians and Humanists
and those areas are Luton and Bradford - for instance
oh and finally Andy H ( and Mrs H ) live somewhere

seemed quite obvious to me

needs a bit of cleaning up but it is in fact a relatively logical sequence whether or not you credit the premises

[ummmm]

It's just a form of rubber necking, morbid fascination.

[Svejk]

The enthusiastic, stone-throwing crowd wouldn't appear around here. Could in our culturally enriched areas.

[Zacs-Master]

PP, I wasn't talking about the actual bombing being an all time low, I was talking about AOG's view that this is still acceptable.

[Peter Pedant]

// The enthusiastic, stone-throwing crowd wouldn't appear around here. Could in our culturally enriched areas.//

such arrogant self confidence !

well they certainly could around me - "they" kicked to death a man with learning difficulties thinking he was a paedophile and oops it was the man next door !

and also years ago poor Dr Cloete ( clooty) a paediatrician from RAS hared back to Sarth Efrica after a crowed mistook her profession for ..... and burnt down / sstoned her house

[Svejk]

its not my fault if you live in Jeremy Kyle country, peter. Have you thought about moving?

[Khandro]

Unfortunately Isis do not have the monopoly on this kind of barbarism, it's called sharia law. Public executions; stoning to death and beheadings etc. take place every Friday after prayers in Riyadh gathering huge crowds, and yet British representatives of politics, business, and even our royals have no problem in engaging with these psychopaths and camel-drivers.

[ummmm]

News 24/7

This happened and we didn't hear about it.

[anotheoldgit]

For the record, you heard it here, "we are no different from the butchers of ISIS".

And some accuse me of reaching an all time low.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //For the record, you heard it here, "we are no different from the butchers of ISIS".//

Is that a quote from this thread? I can't find it - can you assist me with the poster's name and the time it came in please? Thanks.

[sp1814]

AOG

Your original question asked if it would be wrong to bomb Raqqa.

Raqqa is a city.

You asked if it would be wrong to bomb the city.

This would result in the deaths of thousands who did not attend this murder.

Then you altered your stance to targeted bombing of the crowd.

Do you see?

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

AOG - //For the record, you heard it here, "we are no different from the butchers of ISIS".//

/// Is that a quote from this thread? I can't find it - can you assist me with the poster's name and the time it came in please? Thanks. ///

Perhaps not those actual words but an interpretation from what you put.

/// The human race contains some base reactions to circumstances, regardless of where they live on the planet. ///

/// That includes gawping at shocking events taking place before their eyes. ///

/// it is a simple fact that if (heaven forbid!) someone was thrown off a building anywhere in the western world, that people would not look at it, and film it on their cameras ///

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //andy-hughes

AOG - //For the record, you heard it here, "we are no different from the butchers of ISIS".//

/// Is that a quote from this thread? I can't find it - can you assist me with the poster's name and the time it came in please? Thanks. ///

Perhaps not those actual words but an interpretation from what you put."//

If you are going to 'interperet' what I said in quite such a cavalier fasion - to wit, inventing something that is absolutely miles away from the point I made, then please be kind enough not to ascribe it to me, because it infers that I have said something which I have not said.

Saying that all humans possess some of the same base instincts is what I said.

"We are no different from the butchers of ISIS" is an entirely erroneous perception of yours, and I wish to disassociate myself from it entirely.

I am sure you will be happy to draw a proper distinction between my statements and your imagination in future.

[Khandro]

Perhaps it would be helpful if someone could explain what is meant by "we".
Is it meant all-inclusively, or just that -as I said above- ISIS doesn't have the monopoly on barbarity?