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Another Blow For Leftyism?
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Oh dear, what will he do now?
Oh dear, what will he do now?
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Really ymb the recent results aren't a blow for leftyism, but a blow for everyone. The US will spend two years unable to progress in any meaningful way. And the Democrats were not exactly left in any sense of the word either... closest to New Labour, perhaps. And the true left of this country didn't think much of them in the end!
I heard Naughtie interview 3 American pundits this morning and they all agreed that Hilary will be the next President, providing she stands of course.
Because as sure as eggs are eggs, the Republicans will pick some swivel-eyed loon to stand in 2016 and he or she will fail miserably, just like the magic underpants-wearing Mitt did last time.
Because as sure as eggs are eggs, the Republicans will pick some swivel-eyed loon to stand in 2016 and he or she will fail miserably, just like the magic underpants-wearing Mitt did last time.
Actually, Zacs, I can see what you mean, but my agreement with AOG revolves around the fact that many in the U.S. would support an otherwise qualified 'person of color'with nothing more than a nod to the historical aspect of such a selection being considered.
Point being that a black person was genuinely welcomed as a "first" but history will see Obama as a failure (for many reasons, most related to his inexperience as much as to his philosophical outlook) and will become an "asterisk" (*) in future references. That's a sad outcome for such a remarkable milestone in our history...
Point being that a black person was genuinely welcomed as a "first" but history will see Obama as a failure (for many reasons, most related to his inexperience as much as to his philosophical outlook) and will become an "asterisk" (*) in future references. That's a sad outcome for such a remarkable milestone in our history...
Ironically, mikey, although Romney denies any intention of running in 2016, he is travelling a lot and supporting many of the successful Republican candidates this time.
Fact is, over 3 million Republicans stayed at home during the last Presidential election (2012) simply becuase they couldn't bring themselves to vote for Romney. Obama only one that election by around 300,000 votes.
Not to carry this thread interminably, but Republicans will only be succesful in electing a President when they return to thier conservative roots and quit trying to assure that the Democrats "love them".
Ronald Reagan showed the way and produced one of the most economically secure (on many levels of society) eras in recent history. We can't be "Democrat Lite" and make any noticeable difference.
Fact is, over 3 million Republicans stayed at home during the last Presidential election (2012) simply becuase they couldn't bring themselves to vote for Romney. Obama only one that election by around 300,000 votes.
Not to carry this thread interminably, but Republicans will only be succesful in electing a President when they return to thier conservative roots and quit trying to assure that the Democrats "love them".
Ronald Reagan showed the way and produced one of the most economically secure (on many levels of society) eras in recent history. We can't be "Democrat Lite" and make any noticeable difference.
Clanad...then the Republican Party need to elect a candidate that isn't barking mad, if they are serious about getting back into the White House.
If they continue to choose candidates like Mitt, or God forbid, Mrs Palin, then they deserve to fail. They only have themselves to blame.
They should take an example of the Tory Parties book. It took three complete no-hopers after Major, before they finally chose someone that was electable.
I am far from being a Tory supporter, but Cameron was electable, and that is why he is now in power, albeit with a few LibDems stuck up his back passage.
If they continue to choose candidates like Mitt, or God forbid, Mrs Palin, then they deserve to fail. They only have themselves to blame.
They should take an example of the Tory Parties book. It took three complete no-hopers after Major, before they finally chose someone that was electable.
I am far from being a Tory supporter, but Cameron was electable, and that is why he is now in power, albeit with a few LibDems stuck up his back passage.
Mikey, I see a lot of criticism of Mrs. Sarah Palin on this site... but I wonder if you (or others) could illuminate, just a little, as to what drives the critique and a lot of it is quite viscious. She was simply a Vice Presidential candidate selected by Presidential candidate John McCain. She's bright, well spoken and forceful... which prompts most of the dislike as far as I can tell...
A lot if not most of the failure of McCain's attempt was a forgone conclusion, much of it his own doing. But to transfer that failure to hate for Ms. Palin is odd to me...
A lot if not most of the failure of McCain's attempt was a forgone conclusion, much of it his own doing. But to transfer that failure to hate for Ms. Palin is odd to me...
Jim, can you name any politician or for that matter, any one speaking in a public forum that hasn't occassionally made a miscue? To attribute stupidity or other badly misdirected dislike for the woman based on that is pretty thin, or so it seems to me...
I've watched her in open forum debates and she does very well... especially when she's up against more favored liberals. In those types of debates she is generally underestimated and winds up destroying her opponent who comes away with a "deer in the headlights" look on his/her face...
I've watched her in open forum debates and she does very well... especially when she's up against more favored liberals. In those types of debates she is generally underestimated and winds up destroying her opponent who comes away with a "deer in the headlights" look on his/her face...
// Mikey, I see a lot of criticism of Mrs. Sarah Palin on this site.//
no I think you see reasoned criticism of Mrs Sarah Palin that the best place for her is in the kitchen making pop-corn.
No seriously - - isnt Todd playing up ?
[ Hot Toddie - who got the girl up the duff - Bristols I think ]
and a lot of people think that if a mum cant control her immediate family then she wont be able to control and govern the nation
This was said to be the reason why Pierre Trudeau lost power- because Margot was partying in the South instead of being on the hustings. The rumour she went to bed with Hussein King of Jordan was strenuously denied
no I think you see reasoned criticism of Mrs Sarah Palin that the best place for her is in the kitchen making pop-corn.
No seriously - - isnt Todd playing up ?
[ Hot Toddie - who got the girl up the duff - Bristols I think ]
and a lot of people think that if a mum cant control her immediate family then she wont be able to control and govern the nation
This was said to be the reason why Pierre Trudeau lost power- because Margot was partying in the South instead of being on the hustings. The rumour she went to bed with Hussein King of Jordan was strenuously denied
Like I said, she must be politically bright to some extent since she's so popular. Rather like George Bush for that matter whose success is somewhat confusing I think to non-US audiences.
While it's not at all her fault, the fawning over her from some of the right-wing media (I'm thinking of eg Glenn Beck in an interview when she first joined Fox) is pretty OTT. As to the rest... well, perhaps it's somewhat coloured by what we see of her. What I've seen makes me wonder how the heck she is so successful. In those circumstances I suppose it's fair enough to say that I've missed a lot.
While it's not at all her fault, the fawning over her from some of the right-wing media (I'm thinking of eg Glenn Beck in an interview when she first joined Fox) is pretty OTT. As to the rest... well, perhaps it's somewhat coloured by what we see of her. What I've seen makes me wonder how the heck she is so successful. In those circumstances I suppose it's fair enough to say that I've missed a lot.
Clanad...Sarah Palin was "bright" ? Really ? I must have missed it.
I seem to recall that we have debated this before Clanad, but as Jim360 has just said, she made some awful gaffs, and just appears to be loud-mouth, largely vacant loony to most of us in Britain. Her greatest claim to fame was that she was a "Hockey Mum" apparently, although what that has to with the Presidency nobody knows.
Another issue I remember us discussing was her choice of plainly ridiculous names for her children. Someone should have told that, like fence, road, field and hedge, Track is not a suitable name for a human being. That alone speaks volumes. If she can't even give her son a proper name that doesn't make people laugh, how can she be expected to be taken seriously ?
I have mentioned nothing about hate but if she is being ridiculed, then she only has herself to blame. I recall that she was widely ridiculed in America, as well as here, in the run-up to the last election, so its far from being a British speciality.
One of the main reasons why the Republicans lost in 2012 was the total lack of credibility of the candidates they put forward. Leaving Palin aside, was the choice of a representative of a decidedly peculiar religion, one that thinks that some golden tablets from Israel were buried in New York State, really such a sensible one to make ?
I seem to recall that we have debated this before Clanad, but as Jim360 has just said, she made some awful gaffs, and just appears to be loud-mouth, largely vacant loony to most of us in Britain. Her greatest claim to fame was that she was a "Hockey Mum" apparently, although what that has to with the Presidency nobody knows.
Another issue I remember us discussing was her choice of plainly ridiculous names for her children. Someone should have told that, like fence, road, field and hedge, Track is not a suitable name for a human being. That alone speaks volumes. If she can't even give her son a proper name that doesn't make people laugh, how can she be expected to be taken seriously ?
I have mentioned nothing about hate but if she is being ridiculed, then she only has herself to blame. I recall that she was widely ridiculed in America, as well as here, in the run-up to the last election, so its far from being a British speciality.
One of the main reasons why the Republicans lost in 2012 was the total lack of credibility of the candidates they put forward. Leaving Palin aside, was the choice of a representative of a decidedly peculiar religion, one that thinks that some golden tablets from Israel were buried in New York State, really such a sensible one to make ?
Clanad, I think the main criticism of Ms Palin this side of the pond was her ignorance of the world outside America, often expressed in questions like "Could we trust this woman's finger on the nuclear button?". It seemed like a cynical ploy by McCain (whom I for one liked) to get the Tea Party vote. Why didn't he go the whole hog and select Christine O'Donnell instead? As for intelligence, I think you're being a bit perverse, aren't you? You don't have to be for or against Palin to realise that she would never have made it to Princeton.
You have no argument from me mikey, on Romney, though my aversion has more to do with his political outlook than it does with his religion. If religion alone were reason enough to reject a candidate, we could include about every candidate for he last 50 years, I suppose.
But, you're right, we've had this discussion before vis-a-vis' Mrs. Palin. But, for the record, she didn't claim to be a 'Hockey Mom', nor did she inaugurate the term... that happened clear back in the 1990's as a reference to busy young housewives transporting their children to and from after school events.
Rather, humorously, she stated "...I love those hockey moms. You know what they say the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull is?... Lipstick..." It was said during a speech and the crowd loved it. In fact, Obama tried to opt into it later by referencing hin a an eraly book he wrote that he had eaten dog meat as a child in Indonesia. He said, "...What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?" Obama asked. "A pit bull is delicious..." So, which do you think is funnier?
I still can't believe anyone of your obvious intellect and insight can criticize someone to the point of dislike simply because of what they've named their children. Look... she's from Alaska and having spent a lot of time there (as well as elsewhere in the western U.S.) and no one would give a second thought to naming a son 'Track'. I guess it's too bad Mrs. Palin didn't check with Europe and the U.K. before selecting a name...
But, you're right, we've had this discussion before vis-a-vis' Mrs. Palin. But, for the record, she didn't claim to be a 'Hockey Mom', nor did she inaugurate the term... that happened clear back in the 1990's as a reference to busy young housewives transporting their children to and from after school events.
Rather, humorously, she stated "...I love those hockey moms. You know what they say the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull is?... Lipstick..." It was said during a speech and the crowd loved it. In fact, Obama tried to opt into it later by referencing hin a an eraly book he wrote that he had eaten dog meat as a child in Indonesia. He said, "...What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?" Obama asked. "A pit bull is delicious..." So, which do you think is funnier?
I still can't believe anyone of your obvious intellect and insight can criticize someone to the point of dislike simply because of what they've named their children. Look... she's from Alaska and having spent a lot of time there (as well as elsewhere in the western U.S.) and no one would give a second thought to naming a son 'Track'. I guess it's too bad Mrs. Palin didn't check with Europe and the U.K. before selecting a name...
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