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Extremely Worrying, Racist, Or Just Plain Business Sense?
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So basically a young white female in a town where there as been a sustained period of sexual abuse on young white females, should run the risk of rape for fear of being branded a racist?
11:37 Wed 22nd Oct 2014
alexanderd - "I see nothing wrong with this as here in my town females can request a woman driver ihey wish so whats the difference"
There is a legitimate preference for a woman customer preferring a woman driver - there is no legitimate preference for a customer choosing a driver on the basis of ethnicity - that's racism, and it's illegal.
There is a legitimate preference for a woman customer preferring a woman driver - there is no legitimate preference for a customer choosing a driver on the basis of ethnicity - that's racism, and it's illegal.
ah, there's a bit more here:
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It sounds as though Campbell's father bought into Eagle before the scandal broke (he claims to have known nothing about it). The implication does seem to be that he's founded a new company that's taken over the old one.
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It sounds as though Campbell's father bought into Eagle before the scandal broke (he claims to have known nothing about it). The implication does seem to be that he's founded a new company that's taken over the old one.
do you know they were licensed or are you just assuming? (i don't know btw hence why i am asking)
I didn't say you would be safer with taxi driver who is licensed but its better to get in a cab with a driver who is as (in theory) you stand a better chance of tracking them down should something happen
off track - but i read recently something about allowing other people to use licensed cabs "out of hours" if its for personal use - that's worrying. not sure if that's actually happened
I didn't say you would be safer with taxi driver who is licensed but its better to get in a cab with a driver who is as (in theory) you stand a better chance of tracking them down should something happen
off track - but i read recently something about allowing other people to use licensed cabs "out of hours" if its for personal use - that's worrying. not sure if that's actually happened
sp1814 - I am aware that a business can refuse to offer service without being compelled to offer a reason.
However, I do not believe this situation equates - a customer requesting an aspect of a service based on race cannot be allowed surely, and this is the situation we are debating.
The customer would not be refusing to be carried in the taxi, they would be refusing to be carried by a driver of ethnic origin, and that I believe constitutes racism, and is therefore illgeal.
However, I do not believe this situation equates - a customer requesting an aspect of a service based on race cannot be allowed surely, and this is the situation we are debating.
The customer would not be refusing to be carried in the taxi, they would be refusing to be carried by a driver of ethnic origin, and that I believe constitutes racism, and is therefore illgeal.
Talbot - "So basically a young white female in a town where there as been a sustained period of sexual abuse on young white females, should run the risk of rape for fear of being branded a racist?"
Your observation is not valid.
Anyone getting into any taxi, regardless of age, ethnicity, gender, etc. should be sure that they are getting into a licensed taxi only - they all carry plates confirming their licence details.
To suggest that a woman has a choice between a risk of rape and being called a racist is simply taking a situation to an illogical conclusion - and i am sure you are aware of that, and you are doing it to inflame the debate.
Your observation is not valid.
Anyone getting into any taxi, regardless of age, ethnicity, gender, etc. should be sure that they are getting into a licensed taxi only - they all carry plates confirming their licence details.
To suggest that a woman has a choice between a risk of rape and being called a racist is simply taking a situation to an illogical conclusion - and i am sure you are aware of that, and you are doing it to inflame the debate.
dave50 - " ... ask for whichever taxi driver you want for whatever reason you deem fit."
Absolutely. If you want to ask for Dave, or indeed for Kasim, that is not an issue. But to ask for 'a white driver' is an issue - it's racist, and it's illegal.
"This obsession with racism is really getting out of hand."
I'd say it is a valid issue for debate, rather than an 'obsession'.
Absolutely. If you want to ask for Dave, or indeed for Kasim, that is not an issue. But to ask for 'a white driver' is an issue - it's racist, and it's illegal.
"This obsession with racism is really getting out of hand."
I'd say it is a valid issue for debate, rather than an 'obsession'.
"There is a legitimate preference for a woman customer preferring a woman driver..."
And what legitimacy might that be, Andy?
Presumably a woman customer prefers a woman driver as she feels her chances of being assaulted are reduced (because women do not commit any assaults, do they? Yeah, right).
Similarly a white girl may prefer a white driver because she feels her chances of being assaulted are reduced (because white people do not commit any assaults, do they? Er...er...).
The various discrimination laws do not apply to customers, only to providers. It is not against the law to request a female/white/black/gay/straight driver. It is against the law for the cab company to employ people or allocate work on the basis of race/gender/sexual orientation. So the customer can ask for a white driver but the company will be breaking the law if it accedes to that request by allocating the job on the basis of their drivers' ethnicity.
This issue is a perfect example of the rights of one set of people trumping those of another. People no longer have (and have not for some time) the right to have their services provided on the basis of race. Those rights have been lost to the providers of those services who have the right to avoid discrimination.
And what legitimacy might that be, Andy?
Presumably a woman customer prefers a woman driver as she feels her chances of being assaulted are reduced (because women do not commit any assaults, do they? Yeah, right).
Similarly a white girl may prefer a white driver because she feels her chances of being assaulted are reduced (because white people do not commit any assaults, do they? Er...er...).
The various discrimination laws do not apply to customers, only to providers. It is not against the law to request a female/white/black/gay/straight driver. It is against the law for the cab company to employ people or allocate work on the basis of race/gender/sexual orientation. So the customer can ask for a white driver but the company will be breaking the law if it accedes to that request by allocating the job on the basis of their drivers' ethnicity.
This issue is a perfect example of the rights of one set of people trumping those of another. People no longer have (and have not for some time) the right to have their services provided on the basis of race. Those rights have been lost to the providers of those services who have the right to avoid discrimination.
Gromit - "But the customer is not boycotting them because they are Asian, they are boycotting them because they think they might be rapists. That may not be a rational choice, but the customer can make it."
Actually - they are.
The reason for the boycott of Asian drivers is because the customers are making an unfounded assumption that Asian drivers may be rapists. but white drivers are not - which is a) ludicrous and b) racist and illegal.
"That may not be a rational choice, but the customer can make it."
It's not a rational choice, but even if it were, that is not the issue, the issue is that by boycotting a driver, or number of drivers on the basis of ethncitiy is racist, and it's illegal.
The notion that Asian taxi drivers are more or less likely to be sexual predators is an obnoxious biggoted viewpoint, but holding it is not illegal.
Discriminating against someone on the basis of their skin colour is illegal - it's racist.
Actually - they are.
The reason for the boycott of Asian drivers is because the customers are making an unfounded assumption that Asian drivers may be rapists. but white drivers are not - which is a) ludicrous and b) racist and illegal.
"That may not be a rational choice, but the customer can make it."
It's not a rational choice, but even if it were, that is not the issue, the issue is that by boycotting a driver, or number of drivers on the basis of ethncitiy is racist, and it's illegal.
The notion that Asian taxi drivers are more or less likely to be sexual predators is an obnoxious biggoted viewpoint, but holding it is not illegal.
Discriminating against someone on the basis of their skin colour is illegal - it's racist.
Bazile - "andy - so basically what you need to do is find out all/some of the names of the taxi drivers and ask for non asian sounding names ?"
No, what you need to do is call a taxi, get in it when it comes, and don't jump to racist conclusions based on the ethnicity of the driver when he or she turns up - that solves the problem entirely.
No, what you need to do is call a taxi, get in it when it comes, and don't jump to racist conclusions based on the ethnicity of the driver when he or she turns up - that solves the problem entirely.
New Judge "There is a legitimate preference for a woman customer preferring a woman driver..."
And what legitimacy might that be, Andy?
Presumably a woman customer prefers a woman driver as she feels her chances of being assaulted are reduced (because women do not commit any assaults, do they? Yeah, right)."
There is a concept of custom and practice here New Judge - woman may feel safer with another woman, be that based on instinct or not, that feeling is inherent in some women taxi passengers. of course women commit assaults, not as often as men, but that is still afact - and not in dispute here.
"Similarly a white woman may prefer a white driver because she feels her chances of being assaulted are reduced (because white people do not commit any assaults, do they? Er...er...)."
Preference is not the issue here New Judge, and I know that you understand that.
No-one is saying "I would prefer a woman driver ..." which is a matter of gender, and not covered by legislation, customers are saying "I want a white driver ..." which is a matter of ethnicity, and is covered by legislation.
"The various discrimination laws do not apply to customers, only to providers. It is not against the law to request a female/white/black/gay/straight driver."
I am unsure of the legal position - I am going to assume from your AB name that you have more experience that do I in this area.
And what legitimacy might that be, Andy?
Presumably a woman customer prefers a woman driver as she feels her chances of being assaulted are reduced (because women do not commit any assaults, do they? Yeah, right)."
There is a concept of custom and practice here New Judge - woman may feel safer with another woman, be that based on instinct or not, that feeling is inherent in some women taxi passengers. of course women commit assaults, not as often as men, but that is still afact - and not in dispute here.
"Similarly a white woman may prefer a white driver because she feels her chances of being assaulted are reduced (because white people do not commit any assaults, do they? Er...er...)."
Preference is not the issue here New Judge, and I know that you understand that.
No-one is saying "I would prefer a woman driver ..." which is a matter of gender, and not covered by legislation, customers are saying "I want a white driver ..." which is a matter of ethnicity, and is covered by legislation.
"The various discrimination laws do not apply to customers, only to providers. It is not against the law to request a female/white/black/gay/straight driver."
I am unsure of the legal position - I am going to assume from your AB name that you have more experience that do I in this area.
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