No No No Relief !!!

[murraymints]

NO has it !! 45.7 % 54.3 %....i am so HAPPY

[jim360]

I'm not sure I agree, mikey, that the lack of substance was their downfall. Or at least, it shouldn't have been. Of course there could be no answers about what Independence would bring. In the first place there had to be negotiations, the outcome of which was hardly going to be that everyone rolled over and gave Salmond and Scotland everything he and they wanted. And in the second place, it wouldn't have guaranteed any policy direction anyway, because of course this was a vote for an Independent Parliament rather than for an SNP Parliament.

The mistake was, or seemed to me to be that, Salmond and Sturgeon and others would grudgingly concede at least the last point, "This isn't a vote for the SNP, this is a vote for Scotland", but then wouldn't shut up about all the policies they planned to introduce, and about how awful Westminster was currently, and how everyone who disagreed with their policy direction claims were ignorant/ stupid/ scaremongering. They couldn't make promises about policy, in other words, but couldn't seem to shut up about that aspect of the debate. In the long run this was always likely to scupper their claim.

It should, really, have been a debate with far less substance and far more about ideology. The question after all on the ballot paper was "Should Scotland be an Independent Country?", rather than "Should Scotland remain in the EU/ Nato/ Sterling. but switch to a generally more left-wing course?" The attack on Conservative politics, for example, probably ended up losing a majority of the 17% or so of Scottish Conservative voters, who might have felt more of an appeal if Independence was sold as a chance to make even their voices louder, rather than just the voices of the left.

I still think they'd have lost that argument, of course, but on policy the Yes campaign was bound to lose because they could, almost by definition, have no answers. No wonder Salmond and Sturgeon were so rude and dismissive about all the legitimate questions raised. They had to be, to try to deflect attention from their own empty position.

[ChillDoubt]

Where is the lovechild of Salmond and Sturgeon, aka Wharton?

Crying into his porridge I imagine!

[lindapalmara]

I agree Mikey but I think your beloved polls were off the mark!

[bibblebub]

Salmond and Sturgeon = fishface and fishwife

[razza]

Shame

[ummmm]

Does no one else find it funny that MarkRae has had a hissy fit and deactivated his account?

(In his Jeffa name)

[horseshoes]

I don't know if I'm pleased or not to be honest. My heart would love Scotland to have gone it alone; my head says otherwise. Had it been a Yes vote, there would undoubtedly have been similar calls from Wales, and then we in the North would be the MUCH poorer relations to the south, even more than we are now! The more parliaments, the more troughs, the more pigs!!!

[Farriercm]

All we want now is a NO vote for Cameron next year.

[maggiebee]

The result is the result and I must stand by that. What I'm most proud of is the massive 85% turnout at the polls. This referendum has galvanised the people of Scotland - long may it continue.

[nannybooby]

so glad it was NO ,wherewould it end ? Home rule for Cornwall and Yorkshire ?
*** stupid, we are a United Kingdom.We nood to pull together.

[anneasquith]

result as I predicted,,,,,,,,,,,,well done Scotland for a tremendous turnout, I doubt it will be so high at the general election, a fair democratic win for the better together campaign, just how relieved are the English politicians this morning ? now will the said politicians keep their promise and give Scotland more powers ? if they do. we have won :)

[Old_Geezer]

The problem with that Farriercm is that there is no credible decent alternative either. What we need is a no vote to the lot of (both of ?) them.

[naomi24]

Farrier, "we"? I don't.

Ummmm, unless they tell you, how do you know a poster's previous name. Just curious.

[nannybooby]

Farriercm, get rid of Cameron .....poor so and so has had his hands tied by that numpty Clegg ,who just wants his name in the history books remins m of oh ......yeah .....that 'saviour of the people' Blair

[-Talbot-]

B00
Think it's quite humbling that Scotland has decided to 'stick with us'. Now we owe it to them and ourselves to turn Britain into what it used to be...great.


Absolutely B00!

Let's invade France or Crimea or anywhere in fact, the unfinished business in the USA ........ United we stand!

[Prudie]

I do ummmm, maybe he'd been up all night and was a little worse for wear. I've said before, why deactivate though which is final and more than a little bit flouncy. Now we will have to try and guess him out when he returns under another name which I hope he does. We need the character ABers.

[-Talbot-]

Or maybe we should just get ***?

[mikey4444]

Linda...the Polls were far from being "off the mark" as you put it. YouGov predicted YES 46% and NO 54%.

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/09/18/yougov-referendum-prediction/

The actual result this morning is Yes 45% and NO 56% ! I fail to see how YouGov got it wrong ? A margin or error of 1% is remarkable.

Interesting discussion started by Jeffa last night on this very subject ::

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1366272.html

[joggerjayne]

I was tempted to wear my kilt today. Scottishunity, and so on.

Although, I'm told that its a tartan skirt.

Only men can wear kilts.

One more thing that needs to change under New Scotland.

More powers. More independence. Less discrimination.

[anneasquith]

on this serious and interesting debate, someone always wants to pass on the latest ' gossip' do I think its interesting re jeffa .... not in the least ummm.